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Hi. The page histories go wild and overflooded with your name. Would you mind previewing your edits and making all necessary edits before saving? Also, you could mark minor corrections as minor edits so they could be ignored. It's hard to keep track of a page otherwise. Although I'm not a moderator, I'm just trying to clean up the theory page and it caught my eye. Thanks. --     c      blacxthornE      t     13:48, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm sorry. I didn't know there were even history pages! I'm marking all my contributions as minor edits now. Thanks.

I'm also sorry I didn't reply to you earlier. It took me a while to figure out how to do it!

  • No problem... And by the way, not all contributions as minor edits, just the ones that really are minor, like correcting spelling in a word, or spacing, or something like that. So I can take it you're relatively new: Welcome to Lostpedia. And in talk pages (but not anywhere else), you should click Image:button_sig.png to sign your comments. These are just basic things that would make it easier for everyone to keep track of edits. Thanks again. --     c      blacxthornE      t     17:41, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Aha. Yes, I'm new. Many thanks for your very useful hints. I'll try the signature now for the first time!--Salvora 11:00, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

Hi, I wonder if you could explain to me what the difference is between the discussion page of any episode page (for instance, the discussion page of Jin Yeong) and the discussion page of an episode's theory page (for instance, the discussion page of Jin Yeong's theory page), if you see what I mean. What is to be discussed in those two different discussion pages? I also wonder if there is any rule regarding the use of idented bullets: I know that theories are presented in bullets, but then there are sub-bullets in those theories... Is there any rule regarding that? I know that many people use those sub-bullets to discuss theories, and I know that discussion of theories should not happen in the theory page... if so, what's the point of the sub-bullets? I still get a bit lost in lostpedia... Thanks in advance. --Salvora 15:59, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

  • Okay, I'll try to help:
The different between the two discussion pages is easy--General discussion about the episode or the article goes to the Talk page of the main article. For example if you want to say "This episode was really amazing, especially what they did with Jin's flashes... For a moment I even thought Sun and Hurley were dating or something"... This is considered general discussion about the episode should go to Talk:Ji Yeon the Lostpedia forum. You could also want to say "Sun's name appears to be different in the label at the end of the episode. Do you think it should go to the bloopers section, or just trivia?" which is, discussion about the episode article. This also goes to Talk:Ji Yeon. On the other hand, you could have half a theory on your mind you want to share but haven't polished yet, or you might want to discuss some other theory at the theory page, you know, say that it's unlikely, or that you agree that it's quite possible. For example you read "Kevin Johnson is actually Walt" in the Ji Yeon theory page and you don't want to remove it right away--although it's possible since the theory policy says theories with logical fallacy can be removed and let's face it: it's not very logical to think that someone grows up to look exactly like his father. Anyway, let's say you just don't want to remove it and just want to say what you think about it. In that case, you would want to make that comment in Talk:Ji Yeon/Theories. I hope I didn't make it sound too complicated. Just in case, I'll sum it up very simply: Discussion about the episode and the main article goes to Talk:_____ page; discussion about theories goes to Talk:_____/Theories page.
And bulleting in theory pages mainly helps you keep it clean. Every theory is bulleted and this makes it easy to read, to know when you go from one theory to another, etc. The sub-bullets can mean several things, this is what I can think of:
1. Discussion. People sometimes discuss theories and add what they think about the theory right below it. Discussion of theories in theory pages is against LP:TP, and any theory discussion should go to the Talk page of that Theories page as I stated above.
2. Ammendment. Sometimes I see that people add supporting evidence to a theory as a sub-bullet below that theory. Something like:
  • The man on the boat is Michael. It was Ben who told him where to go find "rescue", but he actually leaded him to the freighter so that he could infiltrate it.
    • Ben told Locke to sit down before he would tell him who the man on the boat is, so he is someone Locke knows.
See the second bullet doesn't qualify as a theory but it's supporting evidence to the theory above it. I think the reason some people do this is because they do not want to edit other people's theories, kind of thinking it's not their place, I don't know. But this is not the case. If you have supporting evidence to a theory and you think adding it to the theory would be good, then add it to the theory. I prefer the above example to be edited to look like this:
  • Ben told Locke to sit down before he would tell him who the man on the boat is, so he is someone Locke knows. It is Michael; Ben told him where to go find "rescue", but he actually leaded him to the freighter to infiltrate it.
Seems better, doesn't it? The theory policy doesn't have rules about whether it is okay to add supporting evidence as sub-bullets. It's just my personal preference to keep bullets for theories and add evidence into the theory.
3. Add related theory. The theory policy sidebar says that the "[u]sage of an indented bullet does not imply the statement is a response", which means it could be a distinct theory. Why indent? Well, you might want to add your theory using an indented bullet if your theory is related to the one above, and you think the indent would make more sense somehow, looks better, etc. This kind of thing is allowed.
4. Add responsive theory. The theory policy sidebar explicitly says that the discussion page should be used to respond to a theory, but "[t]his does not include responses that can stand alone as its own theory." So if it's a response, but it is also a theory that can be read without what it responds to, then it is allowed.
I hope I've been helpful. By the way, I hope I haven't given you a false image of importance on the site or any kind of authority here; I'm just another user like you. That being said; just ask if you need any help. EDIT: I noticed that I have been wrong. I've later learned from the policy pages that general discussion about the episode is not welcome in discussion pages, and it should go to the forum instead. Sorry for the misleading information. --     c      blacxthornE      t     21:51, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Oh, alright, many thanks!--Salvora 07:38, 7 May 2008 (PDT)

Thank you, that's clear and helpful. I don't find the site easy to figure out. But I do love it in many ways. I'm completely into lost but none of my friends follow the show so I have no one in real life to share this with, and I absolutely love coming here to read people's theories and share mine. On the other hand, I hate it when the pages become repetitive, untidy and silly. So that's how I became involved in the site. I understand you are not "authority" here, but I have appreciated you know the site better and have high standards. Thanks again.--Salvora 17:56, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

"To keep her safe"

Huh... I could've sworn that Christian said that it was to keep her safe. But I just rewatched it and you're right, he doesn't. My bad. I still don't think that it's a major leap to assume that Christian has taken Claire into hiding since bad guys are coming to kill everyone. I don't think we can expect much more of an answer than that, but if you want to readd the question, I won't remove it again.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  16:04, 9 May 2008 (PDT)