User talk:Pshyco Smokey Monster 2

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Past/Present

If you disagree with the previously decided past/present policy, please bring it up on the discussion page. I recommend reading those pages carefully before reverting too much more. Best of luck, --Dagg 11:22, 19 January 2007 (PST)

If you don't like the current policy; Go make a proposal to revise it.

Not in that discussion really

Do you know how we start such a past/present tense poll? Or do we jsut wait for Admin to start it? I'm not really that experienced in doing technical stuff to wikis--I just am very good at putting in text. New pages, template boxes, all that stuff I have absolutely no clue about (basically). Also, I would say that the whoel discussion above (sorry I don't mean to anger you) would probably be relevant to the present/past tense pol.. If for nothing else than people can see that it is actualy an issue. Just my thoughts, David 12:15, 19 January 2007 (PST)

Past/Present Poll

Dude, I wish I could help you but I'm just a newbie, I have no idea how to do polls. I think there's some website were if you make an account you can put polls on your website. I don't know how Admin would feel about that though. You guys could do something like Lostpedia did for the Logo Contest. Here's a link: Lostpedia:Logo Contest II/Final Four. That's all I can recomend. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:34, 19 January 2007 (PST) P.S. Sorry If I was to nosey with your user talk.

Wikifying

  • Thanks, I just dont think it looks good, because if the quote is bolded, we dont want the "said by" bit to be bolded too :) Namaste --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  12:26, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Reverting

  • I wish we could. It's best not to. My advice: leave it for now. He's an asshole, everyone knows that; I dont know what's up with him. His attitude stinks. I'm pissed, you're pissed; soon someone will say or do something they regret. I wont do the reverting (I dont do editing wars) but I wont stop you if you want to take him on. *mutters angrily* --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:02, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Livid

  • Oh I must have forgot the part in this conversation where I cared.--CaptainInsano 12:58, 20 January 2007 (PST)
You want to here my favorite quote? "Do not feel ownership of your edits - if your edit is removed or changed, that is the nature of wikis."-Lostpedia:General usage guide. Man you really don't know a lot about Lostpedia.--CaptainInsano 13:27, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Unrelated Sig Note

  • I don't have to type it out each time, just push the little shotcut key. I'm aware though that the whole formula comes out on the edit page, but I don't know how to fix that. --THE MONSTER
  • Just thought I would throw this in here. At the bottom of Nickb123's guide there is a section on making a sig and setting it up. It should be able to help you out. --Mr.Leaf 13:16, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Quotes

First off thanks for your encouragement for me and Article Attack, I hope I win too, but that "Obi Dan" guy is really editting very well too. To be honest with you, I have absolutly no prefrence in the quotes in articles. I'm fine either way and I do not want to get involved in this debate as it is turning really ugly fast. Also, please sign when you leave messages, if you're having trouble with sigs, I can help. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 13:59, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Dude, I can make it so you just have to press the signiture button instead of copying and pasting everytime you want to leave your sig, don't know if you want me to do that, but I can. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:03, 20 January 2007 (PST)

After giving some thought about the matter, I change my opinion to yes as long as the quotes have some meaning --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 10:21, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Sig

It looks like you have it down pat for the most part, I'm not sure why the formula is coming up. My only advice is to click on preferences (at the very top, on the rightish side) and where it says "nickname" put in {{User:Pshyco Smokey Monster 2/autosig}}. That should do the trick if you haven't already done that. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:47, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Quotes

  • Alas, no. THough the discussion is ongoing; I posted a big long reply with my views. I'm not going to take them off pages LOL. We'll see what happens. Thanks for your support last night; it was much appreciated --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  05:39, 21 January 2007 (PST)
The nope means I will not forgive or forget about it. You could have just read insteaded of asked, but hell where has reading ever got anybody.--CaptainInsano 08:45, 21 January 2007 (PST)
You want decency? Take your ass to church.--CaptainInsano 08:50, 21 January 2007 (PST)
Racism THE MONSTER
How I am a racist?--CaptainInsano 11:25, 22 January 2007 (PST)
  • Take your ass to church if you want decency isn't racist? In fact do I'm not going to kindle another discusion with you. THE MONSTER . thinks you are an ass wipe Captain Insano.

RE:Captain Insano

  • I know, I know, I saw. I apologised too... no reply. Alas, we have to ignore, otherwise we'll do something stupid and get ourselves banned... I've tried complaining to sysops... but nothing. There's nowt you or I can do about it, unfortunately. My advice to you would be to go to the talk page of our quotes thing and make another comment to try and get this pushed through. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  08:55, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Sig

  • I see that you have created a User:Pshyco Smokey Monster 2/autosig page, but the sig code stil shows up. To fix this is important, just go to your preferences, and in the nickname space put {{User:Pshyco Smokey Monster 2/autosig}}. Don't forget to do this last part! Very critical. Once again, if you need any help, talk to me. And if you ever need any new colors for your sig, go here. Regards, Marik7772003 09:38, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Testing Testing --THE MONSTER . 09:44, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Voting

I don't know. Sorry. But I don't think we're going to get a 'Yes' decision, to be honest with you. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  10:12, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Hi there, the poll is really just a Straw Poll. Keep in mind that there is no time limit, and the voting is just an indicator of what people's opinions are. The goal is to get a consensus with the majority of the active editors. When there is no clear majority, the usual action is to keep the discussion going forward. --Dagg 11:49, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Apoligizing to Captain

Okay listen, Captain Insano was being a jerk, no doubt about it, I was mad just reading what he wrote and do not expect you to apoligize to him at all, but if you want Lost Soul to hold out on him too with you, post it on Lost Soul's talk page, not Captain Insano's! By doing that on Capt's talk page you are being just as rude, just some advice. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 08:29, 22 January 2007 (PST)

"You want decency take your ass to church" - Captain Insano, My Talk Page


THE MONSTER .

I don't want to get on your bad side too. Here's my take:

Yes, Captain was and is still being an a-hole, Yes, he has no right to be saying that kinda crap anywhere, Yes, he has done stuff like this in the past (he used to be an admin, but was demoted for being a jerk to some guy on the forum) Yes, I would defintly take your side in that argument

but don't be as obnoxious back PLEASE, LostPedia doesn't need another Captain Insano, if you want people to take your side, be a friendly user, hope you're not mad at me, i'll end this conversation right here, but I don't want to see you become just like him. Sorry if it's none of my buisness --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 08:40, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Of course I won't turn into a Captain Insano! I only be a jerk towards jerks. As for me being mad at you; I've said before nobody can be mad at Crabby, unless they're crazy. Are you calling me crazy? THE MONSTER .

No you're not crazy (Mr. Crabby chuckles to himself for ten minutes), but two wrongs don't make a right. I still think you're a great user, but other people ar going to see you as another jerk and associate you and him in the same catergory, that's the point I'm trying to get at. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 08:45, 22 January 2007 (PST)

O.K sorry to all those people that got the wrong impression of me. Ask Mr Crabby he'll tell ya how great I am :-). THE MONSTER .

Don't worry about me

You told Capn Insano to leave me alone, but it was my fault, I got myself into this by calling him a jerk and whatnot. I apoligized and where doin alright (I think) --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:18, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Seriously It's all right, I'm still a little mad at him and he's probably still mad at me, but since what's done is done, I'd like not to be dragged back into this. Thanks --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:22, 22 January 2007 (PST)

He who must not be named..

Hey there. I know its none of my business but I've noticed what you've been saying about CI. (Not going to say what my feelings are although I do feel strongly). Basically just want to give you this paragraph that is in the Lospedia Policy under common courtesy. Up to you how you deal with this ;)

  • No user, no matter whether you are a long-time SysOp or new member, is allowed to be insulting or offensive to other editors. This will result in a strong warning and can lead to banning. Lostpedia is all about editors working together, and so one should have a level of respect to his/her fellow users.

Hope that helps :) --lewisg 12:31, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Have you shown him this? THE MONSTER .

hehe nope. Im sure he knows. To tell you the truth i personally feel that every user on Lostpedia is afraid of saying too much to him, ive noticed hes been told off for his behaviour many times before. But unfortunately, hes continually been allowed to get away with it. I mean let's face it, he's close to the Sysops, he was one of them once, so none of them are going to have the guts to ban him/punish him, or even give him a stern warning with a REAL threat if repeated. Unfortunately, we are stuck this away. --lewisg 12:38, 22 January 2007 (PST)

  • Your interpretation is incorrect. He has indeed been banned before. However the majority of explicit misbehavior (i.e. interpersonal content that cannot in any way be interpreted to be commentary about the wiki issues is a personal attack and also contradicts the "Assume Good Faith" policy) in this case does not from his side. As a long time user he is aware of policies ('no ownership of content', 'assume good faith', etc.) that he cited, but it appears that his impatient and brief citations of these policies were instead misinterpreted (contradicting "Assume Good Faith" by you) as a personal attack from him when these are actual named WP policies. See my comments and WP links below. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:04, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Well I think that's very unfair. At least I am not afraid to air my veiws about him - the guy is a turd. THE MONSTER .

  • Last warning. Stop direct personal attacks. "The guy is a turd" cannot in any way be construed as commentary on wiki content. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:04, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Just chill, man. Nothing good will come of this --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:41, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Agreed. Although his work on Lostpedia has been invaluable. He should (imo), learn that just because he has made many good edits on here, it doesn't make him any better than anybody else. Its upto you what you want to do about this. Guess we just wait from now on. If you want you could build a portfolio of offences, and once its really large then present it to a Sysop, i guess that may be your best bet at the moment as no-ones going to do anything about it now. --lewisg 12:44, 22 January 2007 (PST)


  • Just a quick note. For some reason this discussion between the two of you (CI and you) is continuing. Continually posting on this same matter on user talk pages (his or others') is almost instigation, no matter how justified each side believes they are. To be honest I've seen more emotionally-charged commentary coming from your side, almost to the point of personal attacks(1, 2, 3), which is strongly discouraged... whereas the captain initially opened by citing valid issues such as "no ownership of edits", albeit he did so impatiently. He also cited the "randomness" of quotes, which was a sentiment that was indeed later supported by several other senior editors in the "Quotes within articles" talk page. Your own impatience regarding the straw poll (posting for closure in 6 hours, demanding a close time) suggests that you may be relatively new to wikis (these polls may last weeks or months, and are not numerical votes), so I would suggest just taking a step back and dropping the issue for now. Posting more demands or personal remarks toward those who disagree does not help your side in the straw poll. Contribute positively toward other aspects of the Lostpedia wiki and its community, and check back occasionally regarding the quotation issue, and certainly refrain from posting what may be interpreted as instigation or continuation of the present argument to the user talk pages; I understand that you feel justified, but continuation is no longer productive for the community. Thank you for your consideration. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:04, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Temporary ban

  • I'm sorry but you just posted to my talk page that you will end this nonsense, however:
    1. You've deleted my comments to this talk page.
    2. You're continuing your work here.
Dropping the issue means dropping the issue. Obviously you haven't. In response to your log page, here's what I gathered:
  • Approximate timeline...
  • You:What the HELL do you think you are doing???
  • CI: Okay the reason it gets in the way because it takes up around 5 lines on the edit page...Plus the way you guys have been doing it (without permission)... you guys are just throwing some random
  • You: can't we just revert his revert?*
  • You: God THE MONSTER is so upset. I am absolutely LIVID. Really I spend quite a while finding those quotes.*
  • CI:You want to here my favorite quote? "Do not feel ownership of your edits - if your edit is removed or changed, that is the nature of wikis."-Lostpedia:General usage guide. Man you really don't know a lot about Lostpedia.-
  • You: Dude you're a jerk, up yours...you're pathetic and you're a child.
  • CI: Oh I must have forgot the part in this conversation where I cared.
  • You: Captain Insano (The Jerk).he hates everyone
  • You: I think if you had emplyed a little decency and explained to us instead of just deleting everything and then being plain rude.
  • CI: You want decency? Take your ass to church
You didn't date stamp your signatures, and I was too lazy to really look carefully, but to me it looks like you came off firing, and he began restrained, despite your language, which seems much more of a personal attack from the very beginning. You also seemed relatively unfamiliar with wiki policy (marked with * ), yet continued very strongly-worded comments that seem like personal attacks. Eventually he begins to react to you, which seems understandable after all that. You appear to be the greater instigator.
  • For deleting my talk comments, and continuing the argument despite repeated requests not to, you'll have a 1 week ban. Hopefully the issue will calm down in you. When you return, please do not continue this argument, it is irrelevant to the issue and not desirable for the wiki.-- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 14:37, 22 January 2007 (PST)

Hi

Smokey it's me Crabby, I know you can't reply, but if you don't like the way you're being treated here, there's another Lost wiki like this, but about half the size. Here's a link: [1], there seems to be about three or four active user. I have an account there too (same name as I do here). I made edits for a few days, but then joined this place instead. If you join the other Lost wiki, I might pop in a few times. Just throwing that out there. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:31, 23 January 2007 (PST)

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