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MYOB
I think you'll find its my job to weed out any potential problems and issues, especially making comments to people that aren't needed. You are on watch at the moment because of some of your previous escapades. If you don't like that, you need to stop being confrontational, and stop posting information that you've repeatedly been banned for doing after many requests to stop. I might be the SysOp dealing with you, but I'm not the only SysOp to notice your actions around here. Now you have two options, play nice or don't play at all. Its up to you which you take. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 00:56, 10 November 2006 (PST)
Re:Hatch
I thought the issue had already been resolved and didn't want another big debate when its really quite trivial. However, if you really want it then re-add the template --Nickb123 (Talk) 03:29, 15 November 2006 (PST)
No
No and I've taken the exec decision to remove your comment. Do not talk about stuff like that so explicitly on an archived site. Do you wanna get sued!? --Nickb123 (Talk) 04:58, 19 November 2006 (PST)
- Its fine yes, I haven't double checked, but think I'd remember if it did that --Nickb123 (Talk) 05:11, 20 November 2006 (PST)
one
For repeatedly creating articles which could be viewed as spoilers, after repeatedly being asked not to. In particular I refer to Sherry, Kimberley Estrada, Zeljko Ivanek, Fionnula Flanagan, Paris Barclay, Bai Ling.
I don't know how many times I have to say DON'T POST SPOILERS to you, but every single time you ignore the rules and flout the basic requests we make of you. I'm tired of it. I thought a two week ban would make you realise, but this time, you are getting a month. If that doesn't make you realise when we ask you not to do something, we mean it then truely nothing will. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:16, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- Sorry just to be safe your account will be continued to be blocked until I can check with the other sysops. I recalled the ban on your acct being one month-long until Dec 19, and I didn't hear about it being lifted. If this is in error, my apologies in advance, we'll get it straightened out. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T02:34, 24 November 2006 (PST)
SilvaStorm
But I think you'll find you did. You have stated in the past I was at fault for you being banned, when in fact, it was you at fault with an unwillingness to accept responsibility. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:08, 26 November 2006 (PST)
- You seem to be unwilling to admit that you were at fault. I operate a simple policy. You get what I feel is an appropriate length ban for going against the rules, and repeated infringements get longer and longer bans. If you don't like that, frankly, its tough. Thats how I do things. You may think your bans are unfair, but I don't. You were asked not to do something, in this case, add spoiler materials to the site. You had a warning not to do it, you said OK. You then proceeded to do it anyway and got a two week ban. After that two week ban you slagged me off on your userpage. You were told to remove it and if you posted further spoiler materials again you would get a further ban. You posted spoiler material once more, and got another ban for your efforts, but after talking to me and apologising you we removed the ban.
Now, I don't know why you insist on thinking you are innocent of what you did, because everyone on this site can see from your history you created this content, apologised, said you wouldn't do it again, and did it again anyway. The rules are there for everyone. Your argument of "Well this page exists" is not valid. If someone else on Lostpedia jumped off a cliff, would you do it because they did? Someone else flouting the rules is not a validation for more people to do the same. If you spot someone doing it, alert people don't join in. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:20, 26 November 2006 (PST)- What else would they be??!? -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:36, 26 November 2006 (PST)
- Because they may give things away that we don't want to until ABC do. Simple. Anyway, whether you agree or not, you've been asked not to do it. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:42, 26 November 2006 (PST)
- That's up to you. Its not that you aren't wanted. Its that you constantly do what you are asked not to. If you ignore what you are asked to do, or not to you may get banned for a time for it. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:45, 26 November 2006 (PST)
- What else would they be??!? -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:36, 26 November 2006 (PST)
- Yikes. I'm sure you know this already, but it tends to be much easier to become annoyed in online interactions, as compared to real life. Flamewars are common online, whereas shouting matches or fistfights between acquaintances (or strangers) are *much* less common in real life, and usually fraught with more serious consequences. In this case, I would suggest there was a difference of opinion and a few misunderstandings in the desired approach to editing lostpedia, and that is it. Period. The misunderstanding part is over, so the issue is over. I would also suggest that attempting to determine, between the two parties, who was "in the right", or "who acted more appropriately" is an absolutely fruitless exercise. I'll repeat: Absolutely fruitless. You know and I know that all it will do is create more bad feelings, and that's not what Lostpedia's community is about. Lostpedia, like any wiki, is about cooperation, and from this point forward, there's no reason not to work together. There is nothing shameful in dropping the issue completely here and now. If you choose to say, "yes but X, Y, and Z"... or "Fine! I'm leaving Lostpedia," then that helps no one, not even yourself. Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely, -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T19:46, 26 November 2006 (PST)
Whats this about?
Would you care to explain what this is all about? If you have issue with users on Lostpedia, take it to their Lostpedia talkpage please, not Wikipedia. What business is it that you object to him getting involved with exactly? As I've told you before, its the users on Lostpedia's that police it, and alert us to what problems exist, and how we should be fixing them. -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 07:05, 27 November 2006 (PST)
Hey
[Hobnobob Conversation]
- You better stop, asswipe - your IP will be banned forever. --SilvaStorm
MY DEMANDS ARE VERY SIMPLE:
REPLACE THE IMAGE ON THE HURLEY PAGE WITH Image:Kiddifiddla.jpg
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY.
DO IT, OR I WILL CONTINUE MY ATTACK--Hobnobob 17:06, 3 December 2006 (PST)
- Now that would just make me part of your vandalising, huh? How do you think I would look if I did that? --SilvaStorm
THAT IS NOT MY PROBLEM--Hobnobob 17:10, 3 December 2006 (PST)
ok, I will call a truce for now if we can negotiate--Hobnobob 17:14, 3 December 2006 (PST)
- Okay, let me ask you, why are you doing this? What do you gain from vandalising this website? --SilvaStorm
Why I am doing this is of little concern to you. I am willing to end tonight's action on one condition. My condition is that for 3 days, my enhanced image replaces the one on the Hurley page. Do we have a deal?--Hobnobob 17:17, 3 December 2006 (PST)
- Well, considering I am not an admin here, you should probably be asking one of them about this deal of yours. All I can do is ask that you just leave it be, and stop messing up the site. I'm sure the admins would rather have that picture replace the one on Hurley's page then have the entire site filled with it. --SilvaStorm
- Wow, he pretty much destroyed Lostpedia. I hope you have backups. If not, I offer to help fix things. --Zachdax
- He didn't destroy anything really. He isn't about to get his "demands" and we won't negotiate anything for anyone. The simple fact is, this is a teenage pubescent idiot with more time on his hands than he knows what to do with. He's a social misfit who probably got bored masturbating over pictures of George Clooney and Justin Timberlake, ashamed to tell his parents of his homosexuality, and bullied at school because he brings it onto himself. His parents will be smacking his arse quite hard (which he'd probably enjoy secretly) once we complain to his ISP (we have all the details) and they can't get a broadband connection for MONTHS ON END because his current ISP won't release him from their broadband service. You see, we know what country this guy lives in, and we know how the ISPs in this country operate. The little child doesn't stand a chance in hell. Poor sod's really playing a game he cannot possibly win. Plkrtn talk contribs email 01:27, 7 December 2006 (PST)
- Silva, I guess you missed Lostpedia:Vandalism. I suggest you take another read. When the suggestion is to ignore vandals, that is exactly what it means. Posting talk page discussion with the vandal makes the problem worse, as you have so cleverly demonstrated. Reverting one vandal's edits, even 24 hours later after he has supposedly destroyed the wiki is laughably easy. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T21:42, 10 December 2006 (PST)
- Silvastorm, perhaps we need to clarify the article then, because you have missed the intended point: conversation is positive reinforcement. Any contact at all, no matter what type, whether negative, neutral, or positive, is positive reinforcement. Any contact is encouraging, because he knows someone has noticed all of his hard work. In the future, please don't contact the vandal at all, no matter what justification you may come up with. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T11:46, 11 December 2006 (PST)
Transcript
Hey Silva, did you personally do the transcript for Cost of Living? If so, great job, and thanks for that! Either way, I edited some of the stage directions, so that they are consistent with the other transcripts. It was a nice job overall and looking it over, looks accurate to me... please let me know if you made it, so I can give you credit. I will be working on the ones for I Do today. Looks like Spooky may be a bit busy lately. --PandoraX 10:07, 9 December 2006 (PST)
- No problem, you did a good job with it, so I just ended up changing format and small things for consistency (I'm going to go in there and just insert the line for when the commercials are, like Spooky does also). Yes, I was wondering where she was lately, hope she is still interested in continuing in the future, but I'm sure someone will pick up the slack (though it's very time consuming, as you well know). I was wondering if you'd consider donating it to Lost-TV? They are nice enough to "lend" us Spooky's versions (I requested them specifically for Lostpedia, and so Spooky posts them up for us), so I always try and offer to help if possible. I'll give you credit if you agree (though they may want to wait on hers also). Lastly, let me know if you want me to protect the page as I do for Spooky's transcripts. She prefers not to have others editing her stage directions, which is her perogative as a transcriber, but not everyone's as picky about that. If you request page protection, you can just go through me directly to change typos and the like. Thanks. --PandoraX 18:57, 9 December 2006 (PST)
- Thanks! I'll definitely try and make sure you get the credit for it, yes, I know it takes time. I'm a stickler for people getting what's due them for stuff like that. I don't know for certain they'll even take it, they may just wait on Spooky's for consistency, but I just try and offer as a show of good faith, one Lost community to another. I'll make that Cowboys change for ya. Oh, and here you go:
[Previous location of Hard Work medal]
Feel free to cut it to your front page if you'd like, just please don't leave it on your talk page if you do (it'll make your name show up twice on the list). Take care. --PandoraX 21:28, 9 December 2006 (PST)
Re:Hatch
Because its a joke, not an actual answer to the question. You could argue it implies they just did it for dramatic effect or whatever, but the way you worded it wasn't appropriate. --Nickb123 (Talk) 03:25, 7 December 2006 (PST)
- It just isn't that encyclopaedic the way it was done. You could add a comment such as "Indeed, the Lost creators acknowledged this topic on their Official Podcast, neglecting to answer a fan question as to why there is now such a convenient addition..." or whatever. --Nickb123 (Talk) 15:37, 7 December 2006 (PST)
On the templates..
Templates are a little different than main pages, in that we try to keep the items capitalized, because it looks more professional. The reason we don't for page names is because of mediawiki restrictions when doing a search. --PandoraX 20:35, 9 December 2006 (PST)
- Looking unprofessional is not a good excuse for capping other pages if they aren't proper names, but I don't know of any rule that applies to templates. THe ones that have been made so far are mostly by Dagg, and I think we agree on that, though not all started that way. If you know of any sysops that disagree with writing them in that way, let me know and I'll talk to them, but I don't believe it's a topic that's been an issue ever. --PandoraX 05:10, 11 December 2006 (PST)
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Hi Silva. Actually I agree with you; however I didn't see the discussion on the talk page. It's a bit confusing but it looks like it might need to be talked out a bit further, so I changed it back for now. I'll add to the talk page tomorrow, and try to chat with a few of the editors in IRC. Thanks! -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T00:44, 13 December 2006 (PST)
crew
BTW, great work on getting more crew pics and articles. I've been looking all over for an image of Stephen Williams, but couldn't find one (although I found many other people with that name). Also, when you have a chance, could you note in his article (and that of Jim Van Houten) which extra on which DVD that they make an appearance in? While you're on a roll doing these, if you have a chance, please take a look at Talk:Jim Spencer, where I made a few more DVD-based crew requests. Thanks! -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T00:57, 13 December 2006 (PST)
- Lost Rhapsody -- Looks like Robert Montjoy is on the DVD, thanks for the pic. Could you make a note of this fact in the article body? Thanks Silva! -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 02:15, 16 December 2006 (PST)
RE: Quarry
Hi there, just wondering where on the ABC site you found that? -- Lost Soul talk contribs 01:08, 21 December 2006 (PST)
Theorized episode titles
Well, thank you for noticing!
"Flashes Before Your Eyes" is probably my favourite episode title theory, and from what I've been reading at spoiler sources, this probably will be the episode name. I always love reading into the episode titles and examining every possible meaning.
"Two Sides" was something I thought of when I watched Season 1 over again after Season 3.1 ended (Locke talks about backgammon). It is about Jack being torn between the losties and the Others, and about what I've read about the flashbacks (SPOILER WARNING!!) where we find Jack, a respected doctor, in Bangkok engaging with a "friend". Jack always has this flipside to him, his loyalty to his work over his loyalty to his father, his strong leadership role over his "out on my own, fix my problems" role he takes sometimes, and etcetera. If not for Jack's episode, I hope they use this as ANYONE's flashback title. --Aero*Zeppelin 00:55, 22 December 2006 (PST)
Ah, yes, I do remember reading of that title. With relevance to Sayid's story, it also worked as to choosing between The CIA (and finding Nadia) and his old friend Essam. Either way, the analogy works for just about every character, and that's why any title with the word "Sides" in it just happens to work for anyone.
Indeed I am referring to Jack's tattoo artist, whom he (as I read) has a sexual, deep relationship with.
Well, for "Flashes Before Your Eyes", I found a source on Zap2It that revealed this title. The plot of the story includes The Widmores, Desmond meeting Charlie on a street in London, a special flashback format that "rivals that of The Other 48 Days", and some explanations on the Hatch implosion. There's a whole cache of spoilers for this episode on SpoilerFix's Lost section.
Is it February yet? --Aero*Zeppelin 01:01, 23 December 2006 (PST)
Yeah. I don't think there's any internet scuttlebutt about Episode 9's title yet, and "Two Sides" is my speculation alone.
What I think is that Desmond's actions in his flashbacks around Charlie (supposedly predicting a rainstorm) were something that Charlie found odd, and I think (given the predicting a rainstorm thing isn't a foiler) the whole "Lightning Rod incident" on the beach reminded Charlie of when he saw Desmond predict the weather before. Just a theory of mine.
From what I understand, it's the flashback format that's radically different from any other normal Lost episode, something similar to "TO48D", or "Three Minutes", maybe even "Maternity Leave". I read somewhere (it's most likely speculation from a fellow fan) that we'd be seeing Desmond's "flashbacks", but not knowing if it's past, present or future. Really David Lynch-esque, I hear.
Me too. I got all excited in September when some foilers and theories came about that said all of the Hatch Implosion Gang became the "See/Hear/Speak no Evil" archetype, and I was hoping for that to happen, and let a return to the metaphysical and mysterious side of Lost come about. Alas, we got a mute Locke and a naked Desmond, and that's it. Either way, seeing that first Lost Moment where Desmond tells Charlie he "doesn't bloody know what happened" when he turned that key.
Looks like Episode 8 is definitely going to be an "absolutely-can't-miss" episode. --Aero*Zeppelin 01:30, 23 December 2006 (PST)
Yeah, some of the Lost Moments are pure filler, such as Charlie and Hurley in Sawyer's tent and Desmond tells them to come with him. They've picked up lately with Cindy and Jack, and the shootout on the Hydra Island beach, but it doesn't change the fact that ratings are on a huge mudslide right now without Lost. I don't like Lost's creative direction for this season either, but remember this much: We've only seen the first 6 episodes. It might be a little too early to judge this season right now. People don't like the miniseason because all we got were hints, glimpses, and a "smash-the-tv" cliffhanger. No answers. By 3.07, hopefully, we'll be getting more answers, and then from there, more answers, and the fans will be happy again. --Aero*Zeppelin 11:04, 23 December 2006 (PST)
Timestamp
I was reading an old old post on CaptainInsano's talk page and it turns out you had the problem with the box around the timestamp.Did you fix it and if so how? Many thanks --DrGiggles
Phrases
Hey Silva, it's nothing against you, I don't ever check back in the history to see who is putting them up (though I do add in my edit notes why things are being taken out... I've taken out more than just yours). But as I put in the editor's note at the top, don't add phrases that are common in ordinary conversational speech, or else that page is going to be quickly a list of "Hey, what's up" and "We've got to go now". There's now been over 50 hours of Lost broadcast, and common phrases like that are bound to come up more than once. That list should be a list of ones we are sure the writer's want to emphasize as thematically important, for example, "Don't tell me what I can't do" and "See you in the next life", no one can ever say are just there because of coincidence. There's also context to be taken into account when the phrases are spoken, such as dramatic pause in the script. We have to remember, Lost is being planned for probably at least 4 more seasons past S3, and we can't have a long list of random phrases that mean nothing for the plot. You (and anyone) should also take out phrases you think are debateable or controversial to keep the list pruned down to just the important ones.. as with all things on a wiki, more is not always better. --PandoraX 02:33, 3 January 2007 (PST)
- I think I meant 3 more, or at least the writers have hinted (that it will go 6 seasons)... I know, it's killing me, too! I kind of wish they would just end it on a high note with S4 though, personally, unfortunately I have no say in it hehe. It would keep the story from rambling, but then what would I do with my spare time?? :) --PandoraX 03:37, 4 January 2007 (PST)
Past tenses
The synopsises definitely SHOULD have been changed to past tenses. A synopsis is a summarization of what happened, by definition. Also, I did research on Lostpedia before starting this huge overhaul. Maybe you should consult [this discussion] or [this one]. The synopises being in present tense acting like the action was happening right now--but as I read the episode "Special" from Season 1 (just one example), those actions happenED LONG ago. Just my insight. David
CD was debunked
- I was the one who transcribed that podcast about Petula Clark and Talking Heads, and it is definitely not debunked... if you listen to it more carefully (or read my transcript, you can see where Carlton makes the facetious joke about putting CDs in the wrong cases in his car, and then Damon towards the end comes on and admits that that was a cop-out, and that they did in fact, make a mistake. Also, please stop making spoiler articles. --PandoraX 06:55, 31 January 2007 (PST)
- Nah, I understand the confusion, because a lot of times they do say things sarcastically so it's confusing (but in the tone of the podcast, you can tell). About spoilers, I saw a handful of articles like canoe and others that we're trying to keep off the site until 3x07 airs. Just wanted to make a note of that, that's all... I know generally we aren't spoiler-friendly here since it's not considered encyclopedic (LP is more for recording things that have passed already). --PandoraX 16:55, 2 February 2007 (PST)
S2 Lost: On Location
- I was curious if you still wanted to do the Lost: On Location transcript. You nominated it for a rewrite, but I wasn't sure why. Do you need help with it? I have it also now. I just don't want to leave it up as an empty page forever. --PandoraX 02:52, 11 February 2007 (PST)
NZ on Main Page
- Hi Silva! It was initially suggested by one of our American friends - 'David' I think, and I just added it would be a good idea...Plkrtn obliged. P.S. It good to see we're ahead of the Aussies.Kivipat
NZ ShowGuide
Fixed -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 22:22, 12 February 2007 (PST)
Episode 14
- If I find out you've been posting spoilers again SilvaStorm, you won't be coming back till after Season 3 has finished. How many times do I have to ban you for it before you understand? -- Plkrtn talk contribs email 16:29, 27 February 2007 (PST)
- The only episode names that get listed are the ones that are officially released by ABC. Any that get posted that are not officially sanctioned by them get deleted and removed, you know that as well as anyone! Show me an example of a listed episode that isn't sanctioned by ABC? Plkrtn talk contribs email 00:19, 28 February 2007 (PST)
Re:Expose/temp
- Yeah thats pretty much what I do. First you have to delete it fully, and then just use the {{deletedpage}} temp on the new page. Then just protect it. Its simple really, takes about 2 mins. And the userpage temp works fine, lol I forgot I nicked it from you a while back. Regards, Marik7772003 22:52, 27 February 2007 (PST)
