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Assistance

Others have helped with this project, but you've probably been the most tireless at this tedious job, and I suspect may have touched more than 1,000 pgs, so I recognize you... Moved on to my userpage (Please cut, don't copy, onto your main page if you move it, so your name doesn't show up twice) --PandoraX 03:07, 31 December 2006 (PST)

  • Sure, see, Template:Medal Hardwork, anyone can give it to anyone. Dagg would be a great recipient, totally support that. --PandoraX 06:10, 2 January 2007 (PST)
  • Thanks guys :). I am proudly displaying the medal on my userpage. Best of luck for 2007.--Dagg 12:03, 2 January 2007 (PST)

Re: The Object Template

Thanks and definitely. Obi-Dan Kenobi 06:26, 2 January 2007 (PST)

Info box

I dunno at the moment, but I thought that percentages would be more appropriate, but it diddent seem to work. If you want to play around with the size, feel free until you think it works. thanks, Dan  talk  contribs  email 

  • Thanks, and the colors are easy to change around... but I'm not sure if we really need templates for this sort of thing, either... I think we should leave it on the discussion page and get some feedback from others for now. There are sometimes templates make things needlessly complex. I'm kind of undecided at the moment myself, and want to see if other people who put work into the page think it's worth it; also people like Dagg, who are more familiar with wikisyntax, might still "pretty it up" a bit. --PandoraX 07:09, 3 January 2007 (PST)
  • well, if you're just looking for my opinion, I think the yellow and green are way too gaudy and bright, sorry. I think something along the lines of Dagg's infoboxes, a very pale shade of blue, lavender or really light green... easier on the eyes That's just my opinion, though!
  • hi Lost Soul. just seen your templates for the missions page(acomplished and failed). I think they look really good, but i do agree with pandorax, when he said the colours are a bit too bright. any way, we should go with your design and maybe put the links to those template on the mssions discusion page. ::  Dan  talk  contribs  email 
  • I like the new colors better, though I'm not a fan of pink personally, too girlie (even though I am female, I think purple is usually better to avoid an Easter look). Well, that's just one person's opinion. --PandoraX 10:55, 6 January 2007 (PST)
  • Yeah, I know what you are saying, but I just don't have a strong opinion about it. :) If someone else does, they will change it. I only made the template long because it sounded like the way everyone else wanted to go and I was trying to help, I still don't think they are even really needed. --PandoraX 10:59, 6 January 2007 (PST)

GOSH Console additions

Yes, definitely. What behavior did you envision in regards to using Template:crossref? Is there some automatic find and replace you had in mind, or were you looking for a button to 'create' cross references?--Dagg 08:31, 3 January 2007 (PST)

There are lots and lots of things that can be done with Javascript now-a-days. For an extreme example of what could be done with the editor, take a look at wikEd. I installed that once, but it was kind of slow, and I couldn't find a way to extend it to do what I needed. Another example is: popups, which a few people here are using. I think I have something in mind for crossref, but it might take me a while since I'm a little busier this week. If I get somewhere with it, I'll let you know :).--Dagg 14:39, 4 January 2007 (PST)
Would that be helpful? I didn't think there would be that many places that required a change from 'ep' to 'crossref'? I am hoping the site will eventually do something like this:
  1. Use 'crossref' in lists. E.g., Aaron was born. ("Do No Harm")
  2. Use 'cite.php' in prose, since the references would be less intrusive. E.g., Blah blah blah blah, Aaron was born.1 And then he was blah blah blah.
  3. Use 'ep' everywhere else. E.g., The following happened in "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues": bullets of things.
This, of course, requires Admin to install Cite.php, and I don't know when that will happen. What do you think? --Dagg 11:01, 5 January 2007 (PST)

New version

I'm not quite sure yet. I've been playing around with a few ideas, but I think I need to clean up the code infrastructure a bit before I move on. I'd like to have the code change more links to use the Template:Link template, but I need to be careful :).--Dagg 07:32, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Yes, exactly, that's what I want to do :). But I need to do it very very carefully though, or it will make a big mess. For example, if I change all occurrences of the word "Lost" to italics, then it'll probably mess up a lot of links and images, etc: [[Australia in ''Lost'']]. I'm going to make the code be a little smarter.--Dagg 09:01, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Screencap request?

Hey LS, thanks as always in advance... any chance you could look at the screencap request made here? Talk:Fate versus free will Take care. --PandoraX 09:40, 6 January 2007 (PST)

  • Awesome! Just what we wanted, many thanks. --PandoraX 10:03, 6 January 2007 (PST)
  • Hey LS, already replied to that... just forgot to sign my comment. It's the one above Daniel's last note in that section "Infoboxes", above. --PandoraX 10:09, 6 January 2007 (PST)

Templates

They look good! Still a little pastel-y, but I could probably get used to it. But whose idea was the "relationship to the Lost storyline" part? Not a fan of it... it's way too wordy, and unnecessary, IMHO. Lengthens the page significantly, and doesnt add anything necessary, I think... articles should be a place where people can find quick info, and then link to synopsis pages for more detailed reminders. --PandoraX 04:49, 7 January 2007 (PST)

  • Hah, sorry to put it off on you, let me see if I can talk some sense into him ;) --PandoraX 05:11, 7 January 2007 (PST)
  • I think we should hold off on that page. I made that one a few weeks ago out of a ragtag collection of other stub pages, and there aren't uniform fields like in books. That was also the reason I didn't put the author references at the bottom of literary works into templates. --PandoraX 10:55, 7 January 2007 (PST)
  • Oh, what might be helpful would be to go through the individual book reference pages and put them in standard format, not all have images in templates, as seen in the example Lord of the Flies. If you have time for that, that would be helpful, I have to go soon. thanks --PandoraX 10:57, 7 January 2007 (PST)

Book articles like The Odyssey and Rainbow Six don't have em yet. The images are just the ones on literary works and the info in the box is from wikipedia. Don't worry if you don't have time, I'm just explaining. --PandoraX 11:02, 7 January 2007 (PST)

DHARMA sectionbox

Yo-ho, mate. May I help you with the DHARMA station sectionbox‎? Obi-Dan Kenobi 11:10, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Oh, no, the template is perfect (I also like the colors). I meant help with putting it on the DHARMA Initiative Stations page. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Obi-Dan Kenobi 11:15, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Link colors

This works: [[Lost|<span style="color: PaleGoldenrod">''Lost''</span>]].

This works: Lost.

But I understand that is pretty verbose.--Dagg 12:10, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Yeah, that would be the ideal; to set it at the top. But I don't think there is a way to do it with what is available. Normally, we would just do a stylesheet: 
  <style type="text/css">
  div.station_sectionbox a {
    background-color: LemonChiffon;
    color: CornFlowerBlue;
  }
  </style>
But we don't have access to global/page-level stylesheets here on Lostpedia, so we can only change the style of one element at a time. Sorry, unless anyone else knows a hack I am unaware of?--Dagg 12:27, 12 January 2007 (PST)
A drawback to doing it manually, is that it will make it difficult for people to add new links to the page in the future. Probably better off using a different color, unfortunately. Or... you could make a template that will make your links for you: {{link for station|article_name|text_to_display}}. But that is really pushing the editability to its limits :), and I probably wouldn't recommend it.--Dagg 12:45, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Station explorers

Glad you like it :). Yeah, I agree. I changed the default for Sectionbox to use the more neutral gray color.--Dagg 00:17, 13 January 2007 (PST)

  • Sure, go ahead and make it any changes; I'm not gonna stop ya :).--Dagg 07:23, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Manually change the color

I'm not sure what you mean? You mean a button to scroll through a bunch of colors?--Dagg 00:26, 13 January 2007 (PST)

The Template:Sectionbox has an option to change the color. I've added some usage instructions on that page; I hope that helps. --Dagg 01:06, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Re: My Season Things

I'm planning on putting them up today or tomorrow. You can edit my sandbox and change the colors. After we'll both agree on the colors, we can start putting them up. Obi-Dan Kenobi 09:27, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Go for it. You can do Season 1, I'll do Season 2. But first, can you create the template? Obi-Dan Kenobi 10:43, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Oh, I'm not an expert either.. Who do you think can help us? Obi-Dan Kenobi 11:11, 13 January 2007 (PST)

I left him a message on his user talk page. Obi-Dan Kenobi 11:21, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Re: Arsenal!

Lol Hell Yeah! Chelsea suck :p lol --lewisg 10:44, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Hehe why? Are you jealous? ;) --lewisg 10:46, 13 January 2007 (PST)
Haha! What arsenal or the fans? :p lol --lewisg 10:49, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Sectionbox Cons

I prefer it to be that shade of red, which symbolizes something negative, like a con. Obi-Dan Kenobi 12:46, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Oh, ok then, I'll chance it back to the bright green. Obi-Dan Kenobi 12:49, 13 January 2007 (PST)
That's great, thanks. Obi-Dan Kenobi 13:01, 13 January 2007 (PST)

Good night! (it's 3:16 PM in Canada) Obi-Dan Kenobi 13:10, 13 January 2007 (PST)

s3

  • Drop me a note when you are done. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 02:38, 14 January 2007 (PST)
  • I have not been keeping up with site policy on future s3 content such as the upcoming episode article, and know it's a thorny issue, so I would rather leave that for the other SysOps who protected it in the first place. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 02:42, 14 January 2007 (PST)

Thanks

Thanks for adding yourself to my poll and your doin great work on the relationships page! --Pshyco Smokey Monster 2

Season 1/2

Ah, ok, I wasn't sure if it was the TOC, or if it was something I messed up with the rest of the changes I made. I mostly reverted back to my changes because I had fixed up the capitalization and italics, and removed an unused template etc. The TOC is definitely debatable (as is the rest of the changes, of course, if you had a reason), I added something to Talk:Season 1.--Dagg 06:50, 14 January 2007 (PST)

Sectionboxes

Let's work on it together, you work from the top to the bottom, and i'll go from the bottom to the top. That way we split the wrok. Also thanks for the compliment : )--Mr. Crabby 12:17, 14 January 2007 (PST)

Sectionbox Update

Scratch that last comment, I finished all the sectionboxes on the "Rivalries" section. Thanks for your encouragement. --Mr. Crabby 14:09, 14 January 2007 (PST)

Rude

  • I am truely sorry I have to be rude. But first he was wrongfully speaking for me, saying I said all theories pages were stupid. Then it takes me explaining to him twice that I only want to delete episode theory pages. Then he finally figures out that concept, and goes back and changes one of his paragraphs to fit this, when I am answering a question that he has asked. Which just straight pisses me off. So now I have to retype my answer. Now he is just making up stuff like how we funnel new users to episode theories pages. And now he thinks my goal is to "reduce the number of theories added to the article pages". So now I am, in fact, at the end of my rope unfortunately and the only next step I know is talking to him like he is a child and see of he understands that. I am sorry it has come to this I really am, but there is nothing I can do.--CaptainInsano 11:26, 15 January 2007 (PST)

Misunderstandings

Thanks for helping to defend me. I am trying very hard to express my opinions without hurting anyone's feelings. Sometimes the simplest misunderstanding can escalate out of control quickly. I've re-read his responses several times, and I guess my typo (article should have been episode) at the beginning of the discussion really pushed his buttons for some reason.--Dagg 12:45, 15 January 2007 (PST)

It is also ironic that he said "Never change something you type." when he just did that right here on your user talk page: http://www.lostpedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Lost_Soul&diff=179393&oldid=179392 . Why does he hate me so much? All I did was try to correct my mistake before it was too late :(--Dagg 12:53, 15 January 2007 (PST)

Re:Quotes Within Articles

I love it! Now this poses the question of where we would put it; on character pages, theme pages, episode pages, etc.? Or would we put it on all?--LOCI!

These are the ones I thought would be best:

  • Quotes specific to the main characters on their pages.
  • An important episode quote for episode pages. (Specifically, if the name is said in the episode, we could use that quote)
  • A quote that represents a specific theme on theme pages.


Anyway, that's all I got. We don't want to go overkill. Now we just need to get a sysop's OK to start putting it on pages. It would be great if we got Admin's approval. Do you think we should contact him?--LOCI! 13:59, 16 January 2007 (PST)

Examples:
"Don't tell me what I can't do!" on Locke's page. "It's every man for himself, Freckles" on the Every Man For Himself page. "I need... a pregnancy test" on the Pregnancies page.
Those are the kind of things that we would be doing.--LOCI!

  • I already gave my opinion on this on the main talk page, but I think it's fine, when used in moderation. I'm wondering if we could make it look "prettier" than just the dotted line around it, that's the only thing, but you'd probably have to talk to a wikitext guru (not me) about that. Other than that, I don't feel strongly about the subject either way, I think it is a neat extra and not necessarily integral. Oh, btw, pet peeve of mine, but when you make sandboxes, please just remove the categories at the bottom. I know people just cut and paste the whole thing, but sometimes they forget to remove them later. Thanks. --PandoraX 10:35, 18 January 2007 (PST)


Thanks

Thanks for fixing my sig, I didn't expect someone to be so nice --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 11:52, 18 January 2007 (PST)


Re:AAA

Alright, alright, I know you know you're gonna get it. Yeesh. Well done, ya got the AAA for work on A-Missions, it looks like a great group effort but Pandora recommended you as the most proactive contributor. Feel free to add this to your userpage, or ask Nomad if you can nick his smaller infobox (which may fit in better with your userpage). Removed from here, and put on Userpage; thanks guys Later, --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:12, 18 January 2007 (PST)

AAA Well Done!

Hey, Lost Soul.
Well done on getting the award, you deserve it as you put the most into it really!

anyway keep up the good work!  Dan  talk  contribs  email 

  • Congratzies. Also thanks to Daniel for being very active in discussing changes, and it truly was a group effort, by the looks of it. --PandoraX 14:55, 18 January 2007 (PST)

episode title reverts

  • I had to revert a few of your episode title template insertions in the Automobiles article. Note that the templates do not work when they are part of an alias link, e.g. [[automobiles|{{ep|2x03}}]] or [[:Image:Lost_logo.jpg|{{ep|2x03}}]]. The other replacements were fine, and I left those. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 17:32, 18 January 2007 (PST)

quotes

It's interesting. The template does make things more consistent, but what you are really asking about is changing the way we annotate various articles. It does add a bit of flair, although IMO it is overdone to the point of distraction in the examples you provided, which is contradicts any benefit. I think it is something along the lines of what can be called "polish". If that doesn't make sense, think of using a strong spice for a recipe in cooking-- just a little makes it perfect, but too much may ruin it.

in character articles: (your example) I think the quote is out of place at the top of the Locke article. However, choosing one quote to define his character for each season seems like a really nice touch, when you find a quote that really is defining to that character.
in episode articles: (your example) It's distracting to place a quote over every scene; it interrupts the flow and makes long content even longer. See Live Together, Die Alone for one formatting alternative I am experimenting with for making flashback scenes more easily digestible. However having one quote per location subhead-- 1) Island 2) Flashback -- is a nice touch, and in the case that there is a hydra subsection, that works well too. Again, I would leave it at that, exercising restraint and not having a quote for each plotline, for example 1) Island main camp, 2) Island Black rock mission, 3) Island Raft.
I, -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 01:46, 19 January 2007 (PST)
  • Yes, I'd say go ahead and try it, and we'll see how it looks. The template is nice because it makes things consistent. Drop me a note when you start, and I might use it some myself. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 11:48, 19 January 2007 (PST)

Mobile game

Yep, just stumbled it. Only just released & reviewed Kivipat12:57, 19 January 2007 (PST)

AA

Sure thing :D and Congrats buddy! Keep it up-- 16:43, 19 January 2007 (PST)

Live Together, Die Alone

Yes that is me, it is an experiment in progress, and is so marked, and it is requiring some time. The issue is not fundamentally about numbers, but instead: readability and usefulness. The original version was essentially useless. Its long block of text was simply to long for most people to actually want to read it: it was essentially a poor paraphrasing of the transcript, so why not read the transcript instead? (The transcript being more accurate and more complete). The section is marked "synopsis", but instead it was actually a shot-by-shot prosification of the dialog and events of the entire transcript. Especially read the "Real time" section (of the original version). A synopsis should be a summary, an abstract. It should not be long, and it should not contain all details. It was a blow-by-blow mess that jumped between locations (following the transcript), and was over-filled with quotations from the transcript. Really try reading it. Did you read the whole thing? (I mean really). I couldn't. The text has been edited heavily but even then it was too long. The numbers really help separate the plot elements, as I've combined them by chronological order within each story location, and not by broadcast order which jumps too much. Now regarding the "flashback" section: Flashbacks by nature are discontinuous storylines (unlike the realtime events on the island). Therefore the numbers help delineate each scene, and disambiguate the interpretation that it is a continuous narrative. All in all I agree it is a big change, but it is still in progress, and there has been some positive feedback, as well as your negative feedback. I am asking for a bit of space, and time, to see what we can do under this different format, because the episode synopses throughout the wiki are a problem, and I'd like to fix it right; starting by working on a double episode will hopefully get us somewhere more readable and more useful to the average visitor to Lostpedia.-- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 00:58, 20 January 2007 (PST)

  • After talking this out, I think you might be right for the realtime section. I'm trying that image version that you just saw. I'm still capping a few more images too, as this is still in progress. I'll probably be done for tonight after the images though. Thanks for your help! -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 01:42, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Music

  • As per your suggestion in the AOTW discussion, I've added a symbolism section to Music. However I have some questions, mainly that this content might be more relevant for a theory page (see talk pages for details). Your thoughts? (reply to either talk page probaby)-- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 02:40, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Implementation of quotes

I'm sure there will be endless debate of which quotes to use, but I wanted to point out that I think you did a great job of picking the quotes so far :). Looks very nice, and is a fun read. --Dagg 03:02, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Numbers

Psst, it's all yours. --PandoraX 03:39, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Re: Artz Quote

Hurley's flashback. Obi-Dan Kenobi 10:54, 20 January 2007 (PST)

No problemo. I actually realized it is Arzt on my second time I watched this episode. Obi-Dan Kenobi 10:58, 20 January 2007 (PST)

Wikifying

Sorry I didn't get what you meant by wikifying. I'll stop doing it to the sources in my quotes now. :-) --THE MONSTER

Okies. I understand the error of my ways Lolz. Won't do it agen. :-p. --THE MONSTER


Quotes

Okay the reason it gets in the way because it takes up around 5 lines on the edit page. Plus the way you guys have been doing it (without permission) makes no sense, you guys are just throwing some random in there.--CaptainInsano 12:51, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • They are NOT random. I have chosen quotes which I feel reflect part of a character's personality and if people hear one which they prefer they can go ahead and change them. God THE MONSTER is so upset.
  • How is "Now, you chose to take out the computer now."-Arzt not random. Okay and life is hard get a helmet.--CaptainInsano 12:57, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • O.K maybe that one was random but the others weren't and if you don't like it replace it. Basically STFU. --THE MONSTER
  • Lost Soul can't we just revert his revert? --THE MONSTER
  • My lord. If you can't handle having your stuff deleted Lostpedia isn't the place for you.--CaptainInsano 13:02, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • I've already answered that question.--CaptainInsano 13:05, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • I can handle my stuff being deleted, just not for no reason. --THE MONSTER
  • I haven't had the time to look, but the amount of time spent on an editing task is not directly indicative of its appropriateness. I'd requested that you let me know when the template was up, but I guess you did it already and just started putting it everywhere with others contributing. It is a big change and the captain, as a long time contributor, does have a point in noting that discussion may be merited. My opinion earlier was that if it was used in moderation, it might be a nice polishing touch in some cases, but also that it could easily be overused to great detriment. It's all subjective though, so if there is such strong disagreement, then it *does* need to be discussed to arrive at community consensus before being applied liberally-- we've had similar discussions about the over-use of templates and tables in articles. I haven't had a time to look at the specifics yet, and will do so later, and add comments. Meanwhile, we should try to find a talk page to have the community discussion. That was why I had asked you to let me know first, so we could try to apply it to one or two test pages, and have the discussion there, since we've had runaway over-use of stylistic changes in the past.
-For now, that is my proposal for compromise for all parties: Allow one article (either episode or character) to be used as a demonstration for the proposal. That article's talk page will then serve as the discussion to reach consensus. Alternatively, there already is a related thread in the main page talk page.
-Regarding the revert war, that in itself is not a bad thing. It just means an attempt at consensus is now merited. Other interpersonal content is wholly irrelevant, and should just stop, no matter who thinks who started what. Let's get back to figuring out what's best for the wiki. Thanks.-- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:17, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • Actually, since I've been doing wholesale changes do Live Together, Die Alone, maybe that page would be a good place to try seeing what it looks like when done in moderation. Either that or limit the discussion to Lostpedia talk:Manual of Style (proposed). -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:22, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • If you feel the issue has been resolved, citing that discussion with a wikilink should be your first response to disagreements. Do you feel that consensus was reached in a discussion elsewhere? -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:23, 20 January 2007 (PST)
You want to here my favorite quote? "Do not feel ownership of your edits - if your edit is removed or changed, that is the nature of wikis."-Lostpedia:General usage guide. Man you really don't know a lot about Lostpedia.--CaptainInsano 13:27, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • Erm, put this in perspective Lost Soul: this is a wiki... a website on the silly silly internet. Hearing you talk darkly about some coming "escalation" tells me that it takes two to tango, and that you are one of the two... despite your belief that the other party was instigator. Just let the interpersonal stuff go, and figure out where to move the process forward in this wiki's community: that's the job. If another party decides to overdo interpersonal things while you are being level-headed and neutral, they will look ridiculous. If you join in on any bashing however, you're not focusing on the job, and the job is a change (quotes) that you believe will make a positive impact on the wiki. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:30, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • Thank you, I know how much it sucks when things get personal, so I really do thank you for your efforts in helping channel the interaction more positively; I understand why you feel negatively about the comments, so believe me I appreciate it. It's even hard to hold back when you find others that agree with you. I appreciate your recent and large amounts of contributions to the wiki, so I just didn't want an argument to a point where people on both sides start leaving the community. Lostpedia is pretty good about avoiding flamewars, and that's something we're proud of, but it does take effort. Anyways, thank you, your efforts are actually truly appreciated. -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 23:58, 20 January 2007 (PST)
  • Aaah! The morning after. Has the whole quotes thing been sorted out yet coz they are still on some pages. THE MONSTER
Nope.--CaptainInsano 08:41, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Oh, thanks!

Ahh, I hope I didn't confuse her too much, then. I'll take it off her talk page. I think you read it... you know what I mean, right? I was actually considering putting it back, because it isn't a bad observation, but I think you know where I'm coming from with it. --PandoraX 07:59, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Thanks for stopping the confusion

Hey hun,

thanks for the realising i didnt post the batteries thing to the bloopers page i was a little confused and staring at it like 'huh?' hehehe xx —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LostxAngel (talk • contribs) .

Sig?

A sig would be really cool if you don't mind so i have something to sigh things with. just make it however you want. --LostxAngel 08:11, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Everything is ok

Hey hun, Just wanted to let you know everything is ok, i was just a bit annoyed before at something my brother told me on the phone. but i'lm all dandy now and looking forward to cahtting to you XD--LostxAngel 08:33, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Awesome sig

Thanks so much hun, i love it, you chose the most perfect colours! --    LostxAngel    talk    contribs    email   08:35, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Captain Insano

Something needs to be done about this guy. He has just written on my talk page that if I want decency I should take my ass to church. THE MONSTER

Yeah, I understand. Nevermind we'll try and get these quotes allowed then. There really should be something against provokation. THE MONSTER

Talk pages

I usually just archive once Nick starts dropping hints bugging me about it...LOL. J/K... it's not a big deal. But I think archiving is a good idea once you start getting this message at the top: WARNING: This page is 46 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections. (so yeah, probably in your case, might be a good idea). --PandoraX 09:03, 21 January 2007 (PST)

  • Oh, and btw, the way I've been doing it myself is every 2 months. But by the looks of it, I may have to make it more frequent, I seem to be pretty chatty lately :) --PandoraX 09:07, 21 January 2007 (PST)
  • NP. And on this whole drama with Cap, it's nice to see that you took the higher road and tried to move on. Cap is kind of our resident jerk at times, (sorry Cap, you know you are), he's not very political about anything he says and usually doesn't say it nicely. He usually means well for LP, so do you, misunderstandings and disagreements happen when there's strong opinions (you should have seen some of the earlier disagreements between mods like GEOH & Plk). Hopefully we can still find some middle ground, it's tough on a wiki. --PandoraX 09:23, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Thanks

Thanks for the encouragement, I figured I needed to take a break from Pickett's article. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 09:34, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Poll

When does the voting for quote boxes end? THE MONSTER .

It's tight but we could pull through. :-) THE MONSTER .

Hoping

Hey hun,

Just wanted to say i hope your net is fixed later lol, random i know but meh. XD hope your ok hun Chat later! xxxx--   LostxAngel    talk    contribs    email  

Symbolism

  • I don't think so, too subjective; would be good for the theories section, however (many of the episode pages already have a symbolism section under theories). --PandoraX 10:27, 27 January 2007 (PST)

Sorry

Sorry baby I didn't mean to cause offense. Pwese don't be mad at me :-(. Princess Dharma

I'm a new user and a blonde so I'm afraid you'll need to be patient with me. Lol Princess Dharma

Redirecting

How do I do this? (Remember blonde and a newb). Princess Dharma

YAY! I get it now thanks. Hugz 4 U. Princess Dharma

Josh

Hey i saw u redirected Josh to Josh holloway. Although i was wondering if it should go to a disambig page as there is another josh, the one who planed nathen in "the other 48 days" ta. --lewisg 11:20, 30 January 2007 (PST)

lol we ruuuule! Yeah sounds like a good idea :D, better than having a disambig page for josh! --lewisg 12:01, 30 January 2007 (PST)

RE:Flashback Cats

  • Actually I just finished the last cat. Thanks for offering though. -Mr.Leaf 09:20, 31 January 2007 (PST)


Re:Upgrade

Sorry for the late response. No it isn't rollback because you can only change back from the latest revision to the penultimate with "undo". Also it takes two clicks. Its basically like manual revert if you know you're changing just one most current revision. As for other new features, there's a couple of SysOp things I think; the only other main change for the casual regular I think is the recent changes thing showing the character (no# of letter) changes every edit makes. Its good that anything + or - a few hundred appears in bold, so its easier to spot deliberate vandalism where the page has been cleared --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:43, 31 January 2007 (PST)

Wait, where is this "undo" button you speak of? --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:50, 31 January 2007 (PST)

Podcasts

  • That's fine, you don't need any "authority" to make suggestions like that. I think it's a fine idea, I just want to make sure that people are also checking on the main podcast page to check for links (and leaving their link as well) also (since that's another way that people "claim" something they are working on). Either way is really fine, as long as people check for communications. I think it should be alright either way. --PandoraX 10:25, 1 February 2007 (PST)
  • No problem, something is better than nothing. I don't think there are anymore super short 5-6 min ones, but if you want to just start a few minutes worth and msg me when you get bored, I could finish it up and show it as a "shared" transcript. It's all the same to me, only do it if you have time. I have a lot of time on my hand due to illness (but won't after Feb), so just doing whatever I can now. --PandoraX 10:43, 1 February 2007 (PST)
  • OK, thanks for the offer :) I started one here: Official Lost Podcast transcript/October 30, 2006 with both our names. You could do as much as you want until you get bored, I don't mind finishing whatever it is. Just let me know when you are done with your portion so we don't run into edit conflicts. You can leave it as C: and D: if you want and I'll do the find-and-replace thing on it. Thanks, buddy! --PandoraX 10:57, 1 February 2007 (PST)
  • Sure, just please leave me a note each time at the end of your "leg", and I'll do the same, edit conflicts suck. --PandoraX 11:20, 1 February 2007 (PST)
  • I'm actually working on another right now, so take your time (I know, computer crashes are horrible). --PandoraX 11:27, 1 February 2007 (PST)
  • Did you start it on Word when your PC crashed? Cuz sometimes those files autosave and can be recovered. --PandoraX 11:30, 1 February 2007 (PST)
  • I finished another chunk (just after roughly half the podcast, where the Ben/bear question is asked). A few minor things to watch for... I'm trying to keep Lost written like that (I used to write it LOST as well, but found it more commonly that way), and if you find them reading fan questions, I put it "in quotes". You did a great job, though. If you find interesting serious answers in what they say (and not just their usual joking/sarcastic drivel), feel free to quote it in main articles as canon under subheading ==Producer comments==. Thanks! --PandoraX 16:49, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Books

Are you aware that your talk page is in the books category? --Princess Dharma (banned),11:36, 1 February 2007 (PST)

Lol, now I'm curious why was it there? --Princess Dharma (banned),11:39, 1 February 2007 (PST)

Oh. I thought it would be a long complex tale with a set of moral teachings at the end. :-( You made my cry. Princess Dharma (banned)

Do you know anybody I could ask for moral guidance??? --Princess Dharma (banned) 11:55, 1 February 2007 (PST)

I'll call him later then. --Princess Dharma (banned) 11:58, 1 February 2007 (PST)

episode style

  • You know I'm not sure we have a consensus yet. Different episode articles are of different styles, that is for sure. I haven't kept up day-to-day at Lostpedia talk:Episode Manual of Style(proposed), but that is where discussion should be, although I don't remember if I put up the specifics of the style I used in Live Together, Die Alone. This style, IMHO was a combination of three things:
    1. Overall, being very conscious to summarize: throw out all small detail, and do not follow the transcript, and do not follow action-by-action-- summarize the end result of scenes, not each scene's opening, development, conflict, climax, and denouement.
    2. Overall, past tense
    3. Overall, attempt neutral encyclopedic descriptions.
    4. Flashbacks: one paragraph per scene, (and concise, neutral, and past as above.)
    5. Realtime: Combine any continuous storylines, even if they are broken into separate scenes in the actual broadcast. Minimize jumping back and forth between which story you are summarizing. Usually there are only a few discrete parties of characters. Note in LTDA, how Sayid/Sun/Jin's storyline is combined when possible, even if the actual broadcast inserted Desmond-flashbacks or cut to the happenings of Eko/Locke/Charlie/Desmond or Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Hurley/Michael.
    6. Images: One representative extrasmall thumbnail for each scene rendered above in Flashbacks & Realtime.
    In other words, the changes were not only about images. At any rate, I don't think there is any "rule" stopping you or any other editor from making such a change to an episode article or two, because currently the episode articles are all so different from each other and are a general mess. However I wouldn't start a large scale project the change all the episodes until discussion is resolved at Lostpedia talk:Episode Manual of Style(proposed). I also certainly would not recommend implementing only the "Images" part of this style, without implementing the other points, in any episode article. Hope these random thoughts help...-- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 13:55, 2 February 2007 (PST)

Lost Media

  • Anytime you upload a picture from Lost Media you need to tag it with {{Images To Be Replaced}}, as well as {{Tv-screenshot}}.--CaptainInsano 08:36, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Screenshots

How to I screenshot an episode? Do I need a specific programme? --Princess Dharma (banned)

Thanks. Final question is there a way to make a picture act as a link to another page? :-) --Princess Dharma (banned)

That's it! Thanks for the help and big hugs!!! Princess Dharma (banned)

Podcasts, etcs

  • On the podcast templates, I'd have to say no..scrap the idea. It's another example of getting template-happy when they are unneeded... fan Q&A is simply a Q and an A (and possibly a name); having templates takes up needless whitespace and general scroll space that usually should just take 2 lines. There's no real point to them, and you'd have to go back and replace like 100 of them, for no real reason. I think the more important stuff for now would be to 1) expand a few of the podcast synopses which are VERY short (see some in Season 2, they are like one line), if we have transcripts on those and 2) do more transcripts slowly. On the other changes, I'll add them, though Jabbr might revert the Tricia/Hurley one if it's not on medianet yet. --PandoraX 05:39, 4 February 2007 (PST)
  • Eh, too bad, but you're not missing that much. Frankly, the same-day and next-day edits on LP usually suck, they are usually by overzealous newbies who add an article about "Jack's shoe" if they think there's a piece of gum on it. Have you ever considered downloading as torrents? --PandoraX 05:47, 4 February 2007 (PST)
  • Actually, I'm just going to go ahead and cut and paste your requests to Jabbr's page; he's the more conservative of the two of us on when to allow new info on the new pages, and generally waits for the ABC packet (the link you gave for the Xcel is not working for me, but it could just be my PC). I think this should count as an official resource if it's mentioned in a podcast, but I can see Jabbr's point also, which is that LP is not a spoiler-focused site, and it should be fine to make readers be a bit more patient. --PandoraX 05:59, 4 February 2007 (PST)
  • Usually, we leave the no text ones blank, and add them later, but if you come across a few like that that you want to start adding them, I don't see why not. Newbies who add theories usually don't know to use the templates. --PandoraX 06:04, 4 February 2007 (PST)
  • Roughly an hour, maybe. I don't really keep track anymore.--PandoraX 06:23, 4 February 2007 (PST)
  • I take back what I said above about adding the theorytabtop template to empty articles, I just remembered why we don't do this. That template automatically forces inclusion into the cat Category:TheoryTab articles, so we can keep track of all the articles that have theories about them, and not all the articles on LP. If it's a red link, just leave it as a red link. --PandoraX 17:33, 4 February 2007 (PST)

Just a head's up...

  • Just to let you know, since you've worked on podcast transcripts before--apparently, the podcast producer's name is Kris White (that spelling). I've gone through and made all the changes I could find in the past transcripts and transcribing instructions, but just letting people know. Apparently, he edits his own page, too (one of a couple of "celebrity" editors we have on lostpedia; pretty cool, eh?) --PandoraX 04:40, 6 February 2007 (PST)

GOSH main

That one is a good idea; I think I got your latest request implemented. Let me know how it goes. Do you think we should also make one for "See also: " ?-- Dagg talk contribs4 8 11:43, 6 February 2007 (PST)

  • Not working? Maybe try "Shift-reloading" the edit screen? I tried all of these, and they seemed to work: 
''See main article: [[Philosophy]]''
''Main article: [[Philosophy]]''
''See main article, [[Philosophy]]''
''Main article, [[Philosophy]]''
See main article: [[Philosophy]]
Main article: [[Philosophy]]
See main article, [[Philosophy]]
Main article, [[Philosophy]]
: ''See main article: [[Philosophy]]''
: ''Main article: [[Philosophy]]''
: ''See main article, [[Philosophy]]''
: ''Main article, [[Philosophy]]''
: See main article: [[Philosophy]]
: Main article: [[Philosophy]]
: See main article, [[Philosophy]]
: Main article, [[Philosophy]]
  • Here are a couple of examples of the 'see also' in the middle of an article: The "Monster"/Theories#Origin, The Swan#Life in the Swan. But maybe those aren't very common.
  • Is it a good idea to automatically replace an article link with crossref? Stuff like this would look funny: 'In I Do, Kate got married.' --> In ("I Do"), Kate got married.' I could add a button to create the crossref, though. I'm pretty sure that is doable.-- Dagg talk contribs4 8 12:28, 6 February 2007 (PST)
    • I added a Crossref Button. It was much easier than I thought it would be. Can you hit shift-reload on an edit screen and see if it shows up? You should see a big "X" above the edit textarea, on the right side of the toolbar.-- Dagg talk contribs4 8 13:43, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Lost Media

  • When you upload images for lost media tag them with {{Category:Images To Be Replaced}} as well as {{Tv-screenshot}}.--CaptainInsano 12:40, 6 February 2007 (PST)
It is okay just easier for me if they are all in one place.--CaptainInsano 12:46, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Limewire

In Thailand we are still on season 2. I just get all my lost episodes from limewire. It allows me to be on here all the time as I'll get my episode on Thursdays. Try Limewire. --Princess Dharma (banned) 12:06, 7 February 2007 (PST)

Be careful though there isn't very good filteration and you can get all sorts of trampy stuff through. --Princess Dharma (banned) 12:10, 7 February 2007 (PST)

A little thing...

Hey hun, just sending you my message for the day as i didnt get chance to last night, i managed to watch 6 eps of One Tree Hill lol...*yawns* hehe I hope your ok hun and tht ur day is going well. Talk Later! XXXXXX XD --    LostxAngel