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I think this template has to be protected, please let me know when you consider it complete so it can be locked. --†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 13:35, 12 June 2006 (PDT)

For a start I think we should take off the dead people, and replace them with our new main characters. I hear we've got three more coming in Season 3, not including however many Others we might get involved with. I think we should judge who we have on here by the Season 3 poster. They're obviously going to be the central characters of the next season; that's Charlie, Sayid, Fenry, Sun, Jin, Desmond, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Claire, Locke and Eko.
--Chris 18:22, 25 August 2006 (PDT)

I think we should put Rousseau, Aaron, Cindy and Vincent on here. --Peephole 18:31, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

We should take Aaron and Vincent off, I believe (c'mon, the former's a baby, and the latter's a dog. really don't add much) and put "Henry" on here. And maybe Alex and Tom, also.

Maybe seperate it into three sections? Survivors, Others, and Misc? Although the Others section could be due a change once we learn more about them in Season 3, so it might be worth just leaving it until we have a better way to seperate the names.
--Chris 16:49, 20 August 2006 (PDT)

  • I wouldn't put others on it, we already have a box for them. I would actually rename this to "losties" or something and just put all the people who are "lost" on the island (in it flight 815 survivors, desmond , rousseau).--Peephole 07:07, 23 August 2006 (PDT)
How about "Main Characters" then? Actually, I think we should wait until a few episodes into Season 3 until we do anything drastic. We need to know more about The Others before we can categorise them.
--Chris 18:19, 25 August 2006 (PDT)

On the Main characters portal only characters who have had flashbacks are classified as main characters (with the exception of Libby). Considering that rousseau has not had a flashback, has only appeared in a small number of episodes and does not appear in the main charcters portal, i don't think she should appear here. Thunderous503

I'll second that, I believe we have a nav-minor - which is more appropriate I think --Nickb123 (Talk) 04:18, 24 August 2006 (PDT)
Rule: Nobody can fall under two categories. Henry is an Other before he is a Main Character.--CaptainInsano 15:32, 29 September 2006 (PDT)


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Rename

I think we should change it from "Main Characters" to "Survivors" or "Losties". Since Henry can't be there because he's an Other, even though he became a main character in the 3rd season, the template shouldn't be for the main characters, but for the characters who survived the crash (well, Desmond made them crash - he can stay in there). I'd like to hear your opinions. Obi-Dan Kenobi 19:57, 28 September 2006 (PDT)

Main Protagonists, maybe.--CaptainInsano 15:32, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
I think something like Survivors makes the most sense, especially if there's going to be a category like Others. --Minderbinder 19:00, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
Moved to Nav-SurvivorsMain and Nav-SurvivorsMinor. If someone is looking for something to do, please check the "what links here" and update the articles so they aren't redirected. --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 19:29, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
There's a problem in "Nav-SurvivorsMinor". Penny is in there, but she isn't a survivor of the crash. So should we change the name of the template, or should we create another template, which will be "Minor Characters"? (Such as Christian, Marvin Candle etc.) Obi-Dan Kenobi 20:00, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
I think the change is good.--Peephole 06:05, 30 September 2006 (PDT)

Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro?

I was just watching A Tale of Two Cities and Kiele and Rodrigo both appear in the main credits! What's up with that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SilvaStorm (talk • contribs) .

Main characters appear in the credits every week, whether they're in the episode or not. Looks like those two are now considered main characters. --Minderbinder 10:25, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
They are members of the principal cast, alongside Michael Emerson and Henry Ian Cusick. As such, Nikki and Paulo have now been added to the template. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:34, 19 October 2006 (PDT)
  • "Nikki" needs to be piped as Nikki Fernandez so her name appears bold on her page. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 12:13, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

Aaron Littleton

Aaron Littleton IS a main survivor, and as such is to be kept on this template. DO NOT REMOVE HIM. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  16:55, 2 November 2006 (PST)


  • Highly Disagree Aaron has played a very important part in the story-line. But the person should have had at least 1 centric episode to be considered a main character. I'm not going to remove him but I think it would be better if he were on the secondary character template. --James W. 19:14, 7 November 2006 (PST)
If that is the case, then we should remove Libby, as she hasn't has a centric episode about her. Nor Paulo, or Nikki. Bernard & Rose and Jin & Sun share episodes. Do they count? -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  12:44, 8 November 2006 (PST)
    • F.Y.I. Jin and Sun had two separate centric episodes and yes, for Rose and Bernard, it does count. Also, Libby did not have a centric episode but appeared in Hurley and Desmonds flashbacks and is supposed to be in other peoples flashbacks later in season 3 and we can all bet that Nikki and Paulo will have centric episodes later on. --James W. 20:29, 8 November 2006 (PST)
No... at no point have Jin or Sun had their own centric episodes. You are wrong in that respect. So, therefore, I imagined the episode Raised by Another which was all about getting Claire, and Claire's unborn child Aaron to Los Angeles? Which in my opinion was very Aaron centric, even if he wasn't born at the time. You've moved the goal posts. First of all they have to have their own centric flashbacks, now they have to feature in them. Aaron is central to Claire's flashbacks! -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  10:01, 12 November 2006 (PST)
With all due respect, Jin had his own centric episode in ...In Translation and Sun had her own centric episode in House of the Rising Sun so they have had seperate centric episodes. --James W. 19:26, 12 November 2006 (PST)
  • I agree. Technically he was alive during crash, so he is a survivor :D Still, I mean, if Nikki,Paulo, Bernard is going to be in the list then Aaron should be kept as well.. it doesnt hurt Hudd talkcontrib 19:24, 7 November 2006 (PST)
Agree: He has had more scene time than both Rose and Bernard combined so far this Season.--CaptainInsano 12:01, 12 November 2006 (PST)
  • Highly Disagree I disagree that Aaron is a Main Survivor as well. I will not remove him from the template but I agree with James W. that Aaron should be removed. He is the only person on here that does not have one of the following two things 1) a centric episode, and 2) star actor credits. Everyone else fits both of those except Libby (who only fits #2), and Bernard and Rose (who only fit #1), but Aaron fits neither. Thank you. -- Comedy240 9:43, 9 April 2007 (PDT)
Disagree 'til the day I die. The kid's just a plot point and a prop. The criteria for this box, same as the main character portal, should be those credited as main characters in the opening credits, REGARDLESS of centric episodes. Half the time the kid is played by a doll. I say get rid of him. --Jeff 00:29, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

Sun's name - and Eko's name

  • Someone needs to change [[Sun Kwon|Sun]] to [[Sun-Hwa Kwon|Sun]]--CaptainInsano 07:18, 12 November 2006 (PST)
  • Now we need [[Mr. Eko|Eko]] changed to [[Eko Tunde|Eko]]. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 00:39, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

Remove category

If Desmond is to remain on this nav template, someone with the ability to edit it needs to remove <includeonly>[[Category:Oceanic Flight 815 Crew and Passengers]]</includeonly>. --Elvis 20:37, 12 December 2006 (PST)

Change to use Nav-Template

Can a sysop (that can bypass the protection) change this page to use Template:Nav-Template? Also please remove the extra "br". Unlike all the templates that use Nav-Template, this template looks funny on my screen. Thanks!--Dagg 12:16, 29 December 2006 (PST)

New Rename

As we have Desmond, and soon to be Karl living on the Beach, should we consider naming this "Beach Dwellers" and divide it up into Survivors, Ex-DHARMA, Dead, etc... We can make it include people on the beach that are redshirts too then. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  09:40, 10 February 2007 (PST)

That's a great idea. Obi-Dan Kenobi 09:41, 10 February 2007 (PST)

The Deceased

I was thinking that considering there not really survivors anymore, could the likes of Eko and Ana-Lucia be written in bold with a note at the bottom of the template or something along the lines of that ? DrGiggles 08:57, 17 February 2007 (PST)

Or we could make two sections to the template, "Alive Survivors" & "Dead Survivors." --James W. 17:26, 2 June 2007 (PDT)

The Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815

Isn't this already covered in the "The Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815" template? I can see changing it to just people, but then you should still have it multicategoried like "The Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815" and then take off the other navigation so there's not repeating nav bars. --Jackdavinci 00:30, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Naomi

I believe that Naomi should be featured on this nav seeing as she is also featured on this Portal.

Point is moot. The dead guest star parachutist has already been removed from that portal, and with good cause ... she's a dead guest star. Which is not a main character. --Jeff 00:31, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

Rename

I seriously think that whoever is in charge of this template should re-name it and keep it at "Main Characters". This is because Ben and Juliet are main characters and should be featured on the template (Seeing as they are regular cast members and have had at least one centric episode)! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Browndog (talk • contribs) .

I disagree about Ben as he's on the Others template, which is the correct place for him. Juliet is possibly a little more ambiguous as she has effectively joined the group now, but in the sense of "survivors" obviously she shouldn't be included. I think its fine as it is at the moment. Its just a navigation bar to aid quick viewing. If you want Juliet's page, just search for it. Its not that big a deal to exclude non-survivors, even if they do join the regular cast --Nickb123 (Talk) 06:16, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
Why can't Ben be on two templates? Lots of other articles are on multiple templates. Let's not get carried away. All main characters, ie character portrayed by the main cast, should be on the "main character" nav bar. --Jeff 00:34, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

Nikki/Paulo

Nikki and Paulo can't possibly be considered main characters? They were just two minor characters introduced in season three just to be killed off the same season. I think a minimum criteria for being a "main character" is that the character has been on-screen in more than one season. All characters on the template but Nikki/Paulo has met that criteria. If they return in a flashback or something in season four, maybe we could consider having them on this template.

I don't think the flashback episode changed anything either. It was just a filler episode wasn't it... That fuss about the diamonds wasn't relevant at all for Lost's main storyline. --Jambalaya 14:11, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

So by that "minimum criteria," then Boone wouldn't be considered a main character either. Main character is main character: The people in the opening credits. Nikki and Paulo are main characters that got killed off too early thanks to the creators bowing to audience pressure after the six deadly episodes. They were in the opening credits, they were INTENDED to be in the entire season, and the actors that portrayed them got paid regular cast member cash. To me, that's main character, hence worthy of this list. Now the damn baby ... --Jeff 00:38, 31 May 2007 (PDT)
Actually, by his criterea, Boone would be a main character, because he's appeared in flashback in seasons 2 and 3, and in a vision in season 3. That being said, by that definition, neither Juliet nor Libby are main characters.Jimbo the tubby 01:01, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

Rename to "Flight 815 Survivors"

Well, if Aaron is going to be on the template, and Ben and Juliet arn't, than I think we should rename this to "Flight 815 Survivors." 'Cause you can't have the words "Main Characters" in it if some of the main characters arn't even going to be in the template. We should even make another template that is just "Main Characters" so we'll have two, one for the survivors of Flight 815, and the other for the main characters of the show, which include Ben, Juliet, and Desmond, who wern't on the plane.--James W. 17:22, 2 June 2007 (PDT)

Construction

There should be a section for Fuselage Survivors (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, Locke, Sun, Jin, Claire, Aaron & Rose), Tail Survivors (Bernard), Boat-Wreck Survivors (Desmond), Deceased Characters (Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Eko, Nikki, Paulo & Charlie) and Other Status Survivors (Michael & Walt).

Do we really need sections which will only contain one character in them? If you absolutly need to split them up, how about Current Beach Camp Members and Former Beach Camp Members? Jimbo the tubby 00:32, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

Disagree with both. It should be how it is, but with Ben and Juliet added. And it should just be called Main characters, not Survivors (Main Characters), because the survivors aren't the only main characters anymore. The two main character Others can 100% be on the main charter tmeplate AND the Others template. Lots of articles are on multiple templates. Lets hope the moderators pay attention because there is a lot of outcry on both this talk page and the main character portal talk page. --Jeff 19:05, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

And PS Bernard and Rose aren't main characters, they are guest stars. And neither is Aaron. He's a glorified prop. --Jeff 19:05, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

I think there should be two different templates, one for Flight 815 Survivors (Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid, Claire, Michael, Jin, and Sun), and one for Main Characters (Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid, Claire, Desmond, Ben, Juliet, Michael, Jin, & Sun). And two sections for each of them, Alive, and Deceased. --James W. 21:07, 21 December 2007 (PST)

Mr. Eko

Currently this template links to "Mr. Eko" which is a redirect to "Eko". Someone should change it so it just links to "Eko". --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 11:41, 10 November 2007 (PST)

Here's what I came up with:

I think these would be reasonable templates to use:


Main Characters
Jack • Kate • Locke • Sawyer • Hurley • Sayid • Claire • Desmond • Ben • Juliet • Daniel • Miles • Charlotte • Frank • Michael • Jin • Sun

Former: Boone • Walt • Shannon • Ana-Lucia • Libby • Mr. Eko • Nikki • Paulo • Charlie


Survivors
Aaron • Ana-Lucia • Bernard • Boone • Charlie • Claire • Desmond • Eko • Hurley • Jack • Jin

Kate • Libby • Locke • Michael • Nikki • Paulo • Rose • Sawyer • Sayid • Shannon • Sun • Walt

--James W. 16:04, 1 February 2008 (PST)

Desmond?

Why is Des included? He ought to be in Template:Nav-MinorNonSurvivor, right? Pierre80 08:21, 11 February 2008 (PST)

Technically this template just covers Survivors, not necessaryily Flight 815 Survivors. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  08:24, 11 February 2008 (PST)
It does?? Sounds a bit hard to know which characters to include, then... Survivors of what? For example - shouldn't Danielle and the Freighters also be included as well then? As well as surviving Others? At least Juliet, who technically isn't an other anymore...? Pierre80 14:09, 12 February 2008 (PST)

Add Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles?

Shouldn't we add Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles to the list of main characters, considering that they are billed as such?

No, because this is for main cast survivors of Oceanic 815. However, I feel that there needs to be a template that covers the main cast of everyone, Losties, others, freighters, whatever. But sorry, Dan and the rest don't belong on this template. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  20:21, 4 March 2008 (PST)
I absolutely, 100% agree with you! That's why I think we should use the one I made above! --James W. 13:24, 7 March 2008 (PST)
Please cheque Talk:Portal:Main Characters. Therequiembellishere 18:09, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

Nikki and Paulo?

Nikki and Paulo are hardly "main characters" and should be removed. --Xbenlinusx 14:47, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

No, ABC says they are, therefore they are. Therequiembellishere 15:03, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

ABC was going to make them main characters, but they changed their minds because "fans hated them immeadiately" so they had their story told and killed off in one episode. Merely redshirts.--Mistertrouble189 20:35, 11 June 2008 (PDT)

Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santorowere credited as main cast, rather than guest stars. That makes them main character. As easy as that :) Pierre80 06:00, 12 June 2008 (PDT)

Proposed new template

I think the template should be updated to include all main characters, regardless of what camp they happen to belong to. This is the simplest way to keep all the regulars together, I think.

Main Characters
Ana Lucia • Ben • Boone • Charlie • Charlotte • Claire • Daniel • Desmond • Eko • Hurley • Jack • Jin
Juliet • Kate • Libby • Locke • Michael • Miles • Nikki • Paulo • Sawyer • Sayid • Shannon • Sun • Walt

--Pyramidhead 23:07, 25 April 2008 (PDT)

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