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Table format not uniform here...

  • Someone mentioned on the job list that Sep/Oct was a table, whereas Nov on was not, and I came here to work on making the latter ones a table; but having looked at it, I'm not sure I agree anymore. While the table does look nice on the eyes, it's difficult for the average user to edit, and isn't very user-friendly (which could lead to mistakes). I'm almost thinking it might be better to switch it back to regular format, since these are high-traffic editing pages. I'm a little undecided, but I'd like to take a vote. Take a look at the main article under "edit" before you decide (examples of table and of regular subheadings format), to see the amount of code involved first. --PandoraX 05:58, 6 November 2006 (PST)

Vote: Table or Regular Subheading Format?

  • Regular --PandoraX 05:58, 6 November 2006 (PST)
  • Table Pierre80 19:05, 9 November 2006 (PST)
  • Regular -- but we could improve it a bit (for example, we could have a two-cell table for each day -- left big cell : events, right small cell : titles of episodes) SGC.Alex 03:19, 12 November 2006 (PST)
  • Regular --Grafix 00:43, 30 November 2006 (PST)
    • I edited December to illustrate what I meant. Feel free to revert it if it needs to be! -- SGC.Alex 03:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Decision: Regular (non chart) by majority. Sorry Alex, but the hybrid format was still causing problems with formating the other pages, so I had to revert back to the simplest possible standard. This way, all the pages will be uniform, and newer users who don't know how to follow chart formating can still contribute. Keep in mind that these timelines are frequently edited b all sorts of lostpedians and updated with every episode, so the least amount of coding, the better. --PandoraX 09:16, 30 November 2006 (PST)

  • It is too confusing with two sets of dates. I don't think the anomaly has been explained enough to definitely say Day XX here is Day XY there. The helicopter left the Island on Dec 24 and arrived on the freighter Dec 24, and the trip took only 20 minutes for the people on the chopper. They have barely begun explaining the problem, so let's not jump to conclusions. It should read December 24, 2004- Sayid calls Jack from the freighter. December 26, 2004- Jack receives phone call from Sayid. We'll see what day it is when Sayid and Desmond return to the Island. We all know something is screwed up. (Jack Dutton 21:42, 29 February 2008 (PST))
  • Because Penny is standing in front of a Christmas tree with three unopened presents does not mean that it is December 24. It could very well be December 26.
  • Desmond did; however, tell Penny he was going to call on Christmas Eve. The "time-shift" is going to and from the island. The freighter is far enough from the Island to not be effected by it. If they left on the chopper and took a twenty minute ride back, but it was near two days in the perception of those on the island, this theory is logical.
  • A communications room that was trashed days before may not have an accurately marked calendar.

Merge?

Merge this page with Event chronology? Pierre80 19:05, 9 November 2006 (PST)

  • Fairly straightforward call to merge it, so I did. Thanks. --PandoraX 15:55, 22 November 2006 (PST)

After-crash time

Q: The episode list for White Rabbit (for instance) has "7 days after crash" in the table, and the episode description says "7 days", but September's timeline says it happens on the 6th day. What gives? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DanielDíaz (talk • contribs), 18:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Who thinks 'Par Avion' happens on day 80? I'd have put it at day 78, the day after 'Enter 77'. If it's because Claire said 80 days on the message attached to the bird, I'd say she was just putting a round number, but I can't be bothered to argue about it! :) Burt Gummer

Claire says "we have survived on this island for 80 days", which technically would mean that it takes place on the 81st day. That is consistent with Claire also saying to Charlie "you've been depressed all week". If Charlie and Desmond had their conversation during the evening between days 73 and 74, this fits with Claire saying this on day 80 or 81. It can be assumed that a few days have passed off camera. Those few days also allow for Sayid et al to walk to the fence, and for something to happen to Jack. -- Cheers (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2007 (PDT)
And Ben says '80 days' in The Man From Tallahassee. That ends it! Burt Gummer

Some ruthless editing needed.

There's way too much detail in the most recent episodes!
The timeline doesn't need to re-tell the story, just put it in chronological order.
Day 74 only needs: "Jack meets the kidnapped Tailies, and prevents Juliet's execution. The Others leave Hydra Island, taking Jack with them".
Day 75 only needs: "Hurley finds a VW camper van in the jungle. Kate and Sawyer return to the beach camp. Kate, Sayid and Locke ask for Rousseau's help to free Jack".Burt Gummer

I agree somebody please do something if I touch people will yell. Princess Dharma (banned)

I've had a go at the December 2004 page. Somebody please take a look and tell me what you think.
It looks drastic. But the basic idea is that, in a year's time, nobody will want to check up on when Locke and Sayid discuss what killed Eko, or when Charlie and Hurley got Desmond drunk. So I've taken out all that kind of detail.
Burt Gummer

The episode pages' day counts don't correlate with what the show indicates. "The Economist" is listed as taking place on Day 94, but the Enhanced episode indicates it's Day 92.Thektulu7

See the discussion under December 2004. The enhanced version of the economist (which may or may not be canon) is where that information comes from. The date from the enhanced version of the economist is not consistant with other information from the show. Dharmatel4 19:13, 24 February 2008 (PST)


Tie-in novels

Should events from the three official tie-in novels (Signs of Life, Endangered Species and Secret Identity) be included on the timeline? They are written in a format similar to the episodes, and I don't see why it would do any harm, seeing as they have been endorsed by ABC and appear to be canon... --Bohrok Awakener 06:01, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Episode names

Sometimes when looking up island events, it's a little tough to remember what month an episode took place in. Would it be reasonable to have mentioned for each month, the episode(s) that were on the first on the month and on the last? For instance:

  1. September 2004 - Day 1 (Pilot Part 1) to Day 9 (Confidence Man)
  2. October 2004 - Day 10 (Confidence Man) to Day 40 (Deus ex Machina)
  3. November 2004 - Day 41 (Deus ex Machina) to Day 70 (Every Man For Himself)
  4. December 2004 - Day 71 (Every Man For Himself/The Cost Of Living) to current island date.

Jeremiahsmith 09:33, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

  • I like it how it is --Nintyplayer 06:42, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

split and rewrite

Am I the only one that thinks the TLE timeline should be kept separate from the show timeline? Maybe in another article called Timeline:The Lost Experience? ALSO, I think the timelines should be re-written, these are really poor right now... I, personally, think this could be a little more detailed, and the pre-crash article really isn't helpful without more flashback info... suggestions? (Isolation815 23:05, 12 April 2007 (PDT)) Actually, could we merge September with October and also change this:

Day 33 - Sunday, October 24, 2004

"...In Translation"

  • Sawyer brings Jin to the beach for a confrontation with Michael. To save her husband from an unwarranted beating, Sun speaks English in front of everyone. Jin leaves Sun and moves to the beach.

"Exposé" (Screen title: 48 Days Ago)

to this:

Day 33 - Sunday, October 24, 2004

? (Isolation815 23:13, 12 April 2007 (PDT))

I'm not bothered by TLE references.
I think details should be kept to the bare minimum needed to identify the event. The timeline should emphasise event chronology, not re-tell the story. The episode links are there, for more details.
What do you gain by embedding the episode titles in the text? In the current format, you know exactly where to look for them. But then, I probably only like it that way because I'm used to it, and fear change!
Anyone else got an opinion? Burt Gummer 00:11, 15 May 2007 (PDT)

Post-Island Timeline?

Should we start a post-Island timeline? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pennyj (talk • contribs), 04:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

Not yet. We don't have any solid time clues, do we? -- Cheers (talk) 22:06, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
The phone that Jack uses is the Motoroloa KRAZR, which was released in late 2006. That would put Jack's flashforward to be anywhere between November 2006 to the present. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Inker (talk • contribs), 08:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC).
I think it would be worth starting a "timeline" that doesn't include dates. Just put post-island events in some kind of chronological order. Dates can be added (or the order re-shuffled) as and when the knowledge comes in. Burt Gummer 11:34, 14 February 2008 (PST)
This is already happening see Timeline:Post-Island. Dharmatel4 11:41, 14 February 2008 (PST)

Season 4 Reference

Since no details about season 4 have been released, should the references to Season 4 taking place in January 2005 be removed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sawyerrocks (talk • contribs), 14:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

Wrong on-island dates

When Oceanic 815 left Sidney on September 22nd, it was September 24th on the island. which means they in a way skipped the rest of 22nd and the 23rd, and got right into Spetember 24th. So if this right, all the dates has to be changed.

Benlinus 14:06, 3 March 2008 (PST)

You should check out some of the talk on The Constant. It's too early to say definitively that the island is always 2 days ahead. We shouldn't change all the dates until we get a little more grasp on the situation. Be patient, Daniel will tell us all exactly what the heck is going on. --bq 00:28, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Timeline Audit?

It may be presumptuous of me to ask, but how certain are we of the timeline as stated on Lostpedia? When was the last time someone retraced the days and dates back to the last known exact date to figure out if December 26th is correct? Given our current knowledge of the date off the island, are we certain that we have the correct date on the island?--Chuck 09:25, 3 March 2008 (PST)

I really think we should do this as a table, and source all the dates in one column. For example "calendar shown in episode" or "X days ago shown on screen" or "X days after episode Y" or "given in extended info" or "mentioned in podcast Z", etc.--Jackdavinci

Find Oceanic 815?

Should we include find oceanic 815 into the timeline?

Non-episode scenes added?

Should we have the information from the lost flashbacks (Claire and Sayid at the airport), deleted scenes, and/or Missing Pieces added? I don't see anything that says everything needs to be from the episodes themselves, and there's certainly plenty of info from the ARGs. I think it'd be a good idea to add what we've learned from those kinds of non-episode scenes. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't count as canon. Tygartl1 10:48, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

I think we should go by what's canon. The episodes and flashbacks are canon. The mobisodes are also canon. Deleted scenes and ARG stuff are quasi-canon, so shouldn't be included except when the same info is in the show itself already. --Jackdavinci

Simplification

  • Do to all the confusion over timeline days, it seems silly to me to specify on every single character page which days comprise each season. It should be sufficient to simply list each season without the days in parenthesis. If people want to know how long a season lasted in show time they can go to the timeline or to the article for that season. Otherwise a million articles will have to keep changing each time we change our minds about the timeline. That said, why did we start dividing it by season anyway? Within the show the characters don't have a concept of what season of the shoe they are in. I thought the pre-island/island/post-island worked much better. Especially now with the flashbacks and flashforwards! It doesn't seem to make sense to divide character histories by the chronology of episodes aired when the episodes themselves jump back and forth within the chronology of the Lost universe. --Jackdavinci 21:51, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
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