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Penny is in the Credits. So I think she will appear in a Naomi flashback (It won't be Desmonds because he only had his only episode a few weeks ago). Either that, or she will be in another real-time off-island scene, much like the one with the Portuguese guys.

Possibly, but she could just appear randomly in Jacks flashback like Nadia did last week in Charlies.--Lewis-Talk-Contribs 04:36, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

Newspaper Clipping

• The newspaper clipping leads with "LOS ANGELES" and has the title "Man found ???? downtown ????" The first word looks short but is also partially obscured. The last word is also obscured but looks like "park". Clipping could say "Man found [dead] in downtown park".

• Has anyone done any research into what was Actually printed in the LA Times on that date? Maybe if someone could find a copy of that newspaper at a library, that might actually turn out to be (excuse the pun) "the genuine article" that Jack was holding. And could provide some vital clues.

Present-as-Flashback Theory

The "whole show is a flashback" discussion should probably be moved here, and replaced with a coherent theory about the flash-forward being in real-time.

It doesn't make much sense to me. The action of the show takes place in whatever time period it's taking place in. Pre-crash, on-island, post-rescue. There's no one time frame that the show "actually" takes place in.--Hylas 22:35, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

Hence my original comment about the theory not making sense. The vast majority of the show's action takes place on the island, therefore all other events are flashbacks or flash-forwards, as it is impossible for all the events of the show to take place in one person's memory. It is possible that the flash-forwards were to the present day, but why?

That is far too complicated. The producers know that they have to make at least some sense in order for people to keep watching. We can assume that Kate and Jack are either a)Not who they say they are, and the last scene was a flashback or b)The scene was a flashforward and Jack knows he "belongs" on the island. This is the cliffhanger we were promised: Why does Jack regret leaving the island (or wherever the place he is talking about is, since technically nobody said it was the island, this can only be assumed which is dangerous with this show...)? Clay 23:34, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

• I Think you´re right, because this whole discussion whether the island itself could be flashbacks or wahtever are stretching too far peoples minds. tptb can´t make the series too complicated or better too involved with time travel. i think it´s highly possbile, that from now on we are gonna see islandflashbacks and are set in the present, but there no guarantee. Furthermore it can´t be a flashback,because there are several hints that the flashforward is taking place in 2007 and the island time is still 2004. The most logical assumption regarding the finale is ,that jack and kate made it off the island, and we as the viewers should wonder about why jack is trying to get back so badly --kaluahua 08:59, 4 June 2007 (PDT)

Link with White Rabbit episode

The links between these two episodes go beyond their Alice in Wonderland titles. Jack sees his father walking around the island and his coffin empty in the white rabbit. Lockes mother also tells him how very special he is and that he was "immaculately conceived". The is Jack's father alive argument should be separated from the flashback/flashforward debate which should already have run out of legs by now as its pretty obvious it's a flashforward. ~~captvimes~~

The coffin and Jack's relation to the deceased

Jack doesn't say "Neither"--he says "Either." I went back and watched it twice, and he says it VERY clearly. This affects quite a few of our theories about the identity of the person in the coffin. However, I didn't change any of them, I just took out statements that said "because Jack is neither friend or family..." But perhaps someone will want to go in and alter their theories based on this info. Hazel 01:13, 8 July 2007 (PDT)

• I know this comment is old, and it's mentioned in other places on this wiki, but I would like to clarify that the enhanced version of this episode confirms that Jack says "neither." Any suggestion now, if it wasn't before, that he says "either" is pure speculation and is making the extraordinary claim that the producers are trying to trick us into believing something irrelevant and ridiculous. Any theory added to any page that is based on Jack having said "either" instead of "neither" will be promptly deleted on the basis that it is debunked. --macosx 10:10, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

Jack and Kate are alive and the world still exists.

Ben says that if they make the call everyone on the island will die. Ms. Hawking states in Flashes Before Your Eyes that if Desmond doesn't go to the island everyone in the world will die. Pressumably, this means that Desmond is supposed to neglect to press the button to crash Flight 815 to get the Losties on the island so they can save the world from an as of yet unseen armaggedon. If the call was made and the rescue comes, how come Jack and Kate (and pressumably others) are still alive? If they left the island prematurely, how come everyone in the world is still alive? -- macosx 13:42, 13 December 2007 (PST)