Talk:Three Minutes
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The rules?
- Mrs. Klugh wants Michael to rescue Ben in "3 Minutes." When Michael asks why they don't perform the rescue themselves, she says "We can't do that, Michael". Is this part of "The Rules" which Ben mentions after Alex is killed? And what exactly are these rules and their relevance?
--ChrisR 09:49, 26 June 2008 (PDT)
- Good catch and good question. I think her statement is related to Ben's comment to Widmore about killing Alex being against the rules. I think there are restrictions on how the Others (not necessarily Dharma) can interact with outsiders. Perhaps we should collect such references and put onto a new article. --Doc 10:24, 26 June 2008 (PDT)
More Vaccine
- The question is, is it the same as CR 4-81516-23 42? PanSavant 18:28, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think thats a safe assumption that the one Charlie gives Claire is (as it was meant for the Swan). What the Others injected Michael with is more up in the air.--Piscez 02:44, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- They actually didn't inject Michael with anything as far as I could tell... they took a blood sample, possibly to either establish paternity (since Ms. Klugh was interested in whether or not Michael was Walt's biological father) or to see if Michael is "special" or has the potential to pass on whatever is "special" about Walt to other offspring.--Isotope23 05:19, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think thats a safe assumption that the one Charlie gives Claire is (as it was meant for the Swan). What the Others injected Michael with is more up in the air.--Piscez 02:44, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
The Others
So the Others knew Michael was coming, which means that probably wasn't Walt on the computer. So now why is Michael so insistent on it only being the 5 (Jack, Sawyer, Hurley and Kayte) of them? PanSavant 18:28, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
- as we find out, the other 4 are hand picked by the others to be brought PanSavant 19:17, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
- now what makes the 4 special
- They're the ones who've had the most airtime. --Xsg 23:38, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
- Okay, maybe that's not true, since Locke isn't on the list...
- Yeah, that subset of people is perplexing. They are probably 4 of the most popular characters on the show (along with Locke and Eko); but having Sawyer in there seems to kill the chance they are taking 4 "Good People" (if you take good to be a character assessment). The Others are presumably scientists, so maybe that is their interest in Jack, but it doesn't explain the other 3. The only common factor I can see among the 4 is that all of them have fathers who are dead...--Isotope23 05:24, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Oooh, good catch. I also considered it being 2 good (Jack and Hurley) and 2 bad (Kate and Sawyer) as far as criminal behavior. Hurley is a bit of a wild card. Or it could be they all play a specific part in some scenario - Jack the doctor, Sawyer the conman (?), Hurley the rich man (?) but leaves Kate somewhat up in the air.--Bremerton 05:32, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Kate the criminal? -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 05:51, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Let's not forget that Henry was supposedly sent to get Locke since he was "good". This means either Henry was lying (most likely the case) or the new list isn't based on "goodness". In either case, not having Lock on the list means they aren't looking for "good" people. As for why those four... Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are all pretty bad but Hurley? It would have made sense if it was Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Sayid as they are the ones that create the most ruckus on the island but Hurley is such a nice simple guy. If anything, they are being picked for specific roles as proposed previously. Jack is a doctor, Sawyer is manipulative, Hurley is affable, and Kate is wicked hot. Maybe they will be used to help assimilate more people into the Other group? Jericho 04:30, 19 May 2006
- True, I am of course assuming that the Others are still on their "good" kick, but it seems more reasonable to assume that this time they are motivated to get these certain people for a specific reason or task, not because they are "good". This time they've shown no interest in Claire/Aaron (whom they were interested in earlier), Eko (again tried to take him earlier), or Locke (if you believe Henry)... and yes, Kate is wicked hot.--Isotope23 05:35, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- Let's not forget that Henry was supposedly sent to get Locke since he was "good". This means either Henry was lying (most likely the case) or the new list isn't based on "goodness". In either case, not having Lock on the list means they aren't looking for "good" people. As for why those four... Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are all pretty bad but Hurley? It would have made sense if it was Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Sayid as they are the ones that create the most ruckus on the island but Hurley is such a nice simple guy. If anything, they are being picked for specific roles as proposed previously. Jack is a doctor, Sawyer is manipulative, Hurley is affable, and Kate is wicked hot. Maybe they will be used to help assimilate more people into the Other group? Jericho 04:30, 19 May 2006
Kate's father is not dead. Manicpaniccomix
- Yes, her biological father is dead... she killed him in What Kate Did.--Isotope23 05:31, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- The only other thing I can think of is that the Others have a specific job/task that they need done and those 4 people are the best equipped (?) to carry it out for whatever reason.--Isotope23 05:39, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
I think the 4 on the list are needed because each one can manifest things. i.e. Jack saw his "dead" father in the jungle. Kate saw her horse. Hurley saw Dave. Sawyer (and this may be far fetched)could possibly be a twin, as referenced in all the "Bad Twin" commentary. Maybe relevant to why Ms. Klugh continued to question Michael about Walt and his ability to be places where he shouldn't. Remember him appearing to Sayid and Shannon. --Redirover 09:51, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- Sawyer also saw the horse. But if this is the common thread, then wouldn't they want Sayid as well?
According to Walt, the Others are only pretending. At what? PanSavant 18:55, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
- possibly that they're pretending to be "simple" when they're really doctors
- Clearly. Same deal with the costumes in the Staff. The question is why Jack and Kate haven't mentioned this to the others. That makes no sense to me.--Piscez 02:42, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
There's time for theorizing, There are obviously no answers to this. Nusentinsaino talk contribs email
i liked the Wizard of oz theory - Mikey 05:31, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
What's even odder is that The Others could have grabbed Jack and Sawyer in the Hunting Party. They already had Kate. --Uth 10:16, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
Maybe they just chose four names at random, (to test Michael to see if he obeys?) Perhaps they plan to take all survivors eventually. Also, I don't think the Others will let Michael and especially not Walt, go.
The Boat
- Is this the boat Michael was promised? Sounds unlikely, but it's worth considering since those are the two mentions of a boat in the episode.
- I assumed Michael was talking about the boat "The Others" used to kidnap Walt last season.
- Is there some significance to the boat being introduced right before the final episode of the season, keeping in mind that the last season ended with the raft?
- Boat is most likely carrying Desmond. The boat that The Others had was motorized vs the sail boat that was seen during the funeral.
- However, Michael asked The Others for a boat, and we didn't see their answer. It could be that The Others somehow created the situation of the sailboat (my theory - Desmond's boat) going to the beach to fulfill Michael's request; which means Desmond could be in league with The Others, or they manipulated him into going back.--Bremerton 05:32, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- There was a guy in the Other's camp when they brought Michael in (sitting left side of screen; holding a rock and looking towards Michael) who seemed to resemble Desmond. I didn't get a real good look at him... and it is probably not him... but worth going back and taking another look at.--Isotope23 06:19, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I saw that guy and rewound to see if it was him. It did at first but on closer inspection, I don't think so. --Ernest 08:28, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- There was a guy in the Other's camp when they brought Michael in (sitting left side of screen; holding a rock and looking towards Michael) who seemed to resemble Desmond. I didn't get a real good look at him... and it is probably not him... but worth going back and taking another look at.--Isotope23 06:19, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Micheal's request for a boat and Desmond's boat shown at the funeral are not connected. This is merely coincidence. Note: Why would the Others give Micheal his "boat" before he sent the four people back? What good would that do? Jericho 04:33, 19 May 2006
- However, Michael asked The Others for a boat, and we didn't see their answer. It could be that The Others somehow created the situation of the sailboat (my theory - Desmond's boat) going to the beach to fulfill Michael's request; which means Desmond could be in league with The Others, or they manipulated him into going back.--Bremerton 05:32, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Boat is most likely carrying Desmond. The boat that The Others had was motorized vs the sail boat that was seen during the funeral.
IIRC Michael asked for "the" boat, The one used last season. This sailboat could be Desmond (perhaps he fixed his boat and was trying to escape and got pulled back). It looked to be empty though. --Uth 10:22, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
Not that it's relevant, but I read somewhere that in the season finale Desmond is back and we see some of his back story where he has a conversation with Libby and Libby offers him HER boat.--Redirover 12:36, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
The Tents
These are actually a style of tent known as a Yurt. Somewhere (can't remember exactly where), I saw a fan photo of the interior of one of the yurts - taken at the Hawaii filming location. The lattice frame for the walls looked very finished - like a commercially built structure. This is inconsistent with the primitive look of the canvas covering. The covers are meant to fool someone (the survivors or the audience) into thinking the Others are primitive. Either the production crew over looked this inconsistency or the Others/Dharma did.
Colorado Yurt Company is one manufacturer of yurts.
Check out the photos from the set in Hawaii. --Phil 06:11, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Yeah, those are the photos I saw. The entire frame looks to be of high quality, especially when the rest of the camp looks like a random pile of sticks.
It could be that the interior was not meant to be shown on the show. I'm sure that prefab tents are easier for the crew to set up than ad-hoc ones. --Uth 10:24, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- I'm sure this is the answer, as the interior in Three Minutes was properly dressed.--Piscez 13:53, 20 May 2006 (PDT)
The Numbers Getting Wet?
Is it just me, or is there water dripping from the numbers sign when Eko hits the button? Is there a sudden increase of moisture overall in The Hatch? --Brookshoal 06:52, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- I also wonder if this has anything whatsoever with Walt being wet/dripping when he showed up in earlier visions. --Brookshoal 07:06, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
The water appears to be dripping from a ceiling pipe that is between the numbers sign and the entrance to the dome. --Xsg 21:40, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- There was dripping water shown too when Libby got shot. Never referenced on-screen though, except possibly when Jack told Kate that there was a problem with the plumbing, presumably a lie to keep her out of the hatch.
I've noticed that the time since you hear the numbers stop "shufling", after Eko enters the numbers (during the talk with charlie) and the 107:00 showing up, 80 seconds pass. --Shodan 00:14, 19 May 2006 (GMT)
- There needed to be a dramatic effect when Charlie tells Eko he better hurry and get his stuff. That's why the number sign waited an extra twenty seconds. It's intelligent like that. --Xsg 21:40, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- It's making up for earlier episodes where it changed after around 40 seconds ;-)
The Episode Title
'Three minutes' seems to pertain to the three minutes Michael gets to spend with Walt when he is captured. Why is this such a significant number or phrase? The meeting is broken up well before three minutes have passed anyway.
- Well it's still a reference to the meeting, which was the climax of the episode. --Ernest 08:13, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- 'Three Minutes' might be the writers' inside joke referring to the length of significant content in this episode. --Oedipus 09:19, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
I'm beginning to wonder if 'three minutes' is the duration of the funeral. Interesting that something that is supposed to be do important to people got forgotten so abruptly. --Doc halidai 09:23, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
The Other's hatch
Did anyone pay particular attention - or can someone possibly post a screen capture of the Other's hatch doors as seen in this episode?
I am wondering what station the Others occupy. Has anyone matched it up with the map from the hatch already?
- This station is currently reffered to in lospedia as The Door. You can find the pictures posted there (and actually posted last week) PanSavant 19:38, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
How many Others?
So how many Others were there in the group that capture Michael in "The Hunting Party" ? They lit up a bunch of torches, for sure. But the next day (in the flashback from this episode) there only were 5 or so escorting Michael to the Door camp. Was the torch ring a trick? --Mramsey 19:23, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
- Yes, the torches were a trick, that's why Zeke told Pickett to "get them ready". The group consisted of only 5 others and Michael. Zeke, Alex, Pickett, and the two guards. If you notice also, there were a few young people in the camp. And Alex'pants look like one of those that passed by Eko and Jin in "..And Found" --Sauron18 21:58, 18 May 2006
- That doesn't necessarily mean it was a trick. He could have been talking to people poised already to surround them. --Ernest 08:30, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
shotty info
In regards to the list that ms. klugh gives to Michael, where could the others possibly have gotten information about the survivors? are they working on ethan's unfinished list? info from walt? info from whom? I can find no correlation between who is on the list, and who could possibly considered a good person, or with whom would be best to lead into a trap. It makes no sense! --djumbrosia
- So far throughout the series, the Others have demonstrated that they possess an unusal amount of information about the survivors of Flight 815. As to exactly how they have accumulated this information is unknown at this time, but theories state everything from spying on them from the woods or everyone being pre-picked on that flight by Hanso. PanSavant 19:51, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
The Vaccine
Did Charlie inject himself with the vaccine (when he was demonstrating it for Claire)?
Would Claire "randomly" inject Aaron with the medicine without knowing exactly what it is? Why wasn't it given to Jack first?
- Charlie was probably trying to get back on good terms with Claire. --Uth 10:32, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
Does anyone know how much vaccine was supplied? The containers were described as "multi-use." Is there still only enough for Aaron, or is there enough for everyone now? I guess this may be answered later. Snarf 08:24, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
Has anybody ever used a pneumatic injector? Do they hurt? Perhaps we should make a page for it on this wiki. DeGroot
- I believe they do hurt. But, then, perhaps the Hanso Foundation has found ways to make it not hurt... --Xsg 20:45, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
The theory about 9 * 24 = 216; 216 / 2 = 108, anyone can think about something like that, i could for example say: 9 * (4 + 8) = 108. i dont think the numbers are important here --TuX 01:13, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
Theory from main page
I moved this here:
- Could the appearance of the Sailboat be related to the magnetic field Mr Eko experienced in the Hatch???
Why would the sailboat be related to the magnetic field, and not to the calory intake amount in the Dharma Ranch Dressing? Advance 14:21, 19 May 2006 (PDT)
- Because Dharma Ranch Dressing has a very limited effect on compasses.
- So how come Michael's compass worked on the island? Why would the compass on the boat stop working? Advance 09:06, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- What makes you so sure it was working properly? After all the compass Sayid was given "worked" it just pointed in the wrong direction. The question is, did Michael know that, or not? And was this why the Others found him so easily - after all, they seemed to be expecting him. --Circeus 09:28, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
The Others Orders??
- Do you think the Others explisitly told Michael to kill Ana Lucia as part of the plan or did Michael decide to do this to fulfil Klugh's wishes? Could he have not just sent Ana away from the Swan if he wasn't ordered to do this.
Is this really the second episode that takes place completely on the island?
- The Other 48 Days is listed as the first and this is listed as the second. Didn't Maternity Leave take place completely on the island as well? That would make this the third episode that takes place completely on the island, The Brig the fourth and The Other Woman actually the fifth.
- youre right ill fix it------Mattfarley1008 14:10, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
