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This article appears to assume that all the indicators are being generator by a single source. Could there be multiple elements with differing natures? A biological creature that appeared most in the early episodes and a more mechanical, almost steam-punk-like sounding contraption(s) as heard later on. The 'black cloud' could be a third variety. Perhaps it was operating the machinery that was pulling Locke into the ground. -- Paul Campbell 19-Nov-2005 GMT2208

I just watched the pilot again, and the sound effects of the "monster" are very much like the sound effects of the monster from the Movie the Forbidden Planet. The monster in that movie is the sub-conscious of the people on that planet. Could it be possible that the fears of the characters are somehow manifested into this "monster". (Rnyahay)

If the monster is a security system then who controls it? (newguy)

The security system - at least the black cloud seems definitely to have a connection to "fear". When Locke and Eko faced it without fear, it retreated--aurora glacialis 06:03, 25 February 2006 (PST)

I'm guessing it's autonomous. An Artificial Intelligence perhaps?

Pilot Monster versus Walkabout Monster

How do we know that whatever took out the pilot in The Pilot is the same entity that we've seen and/or heard in Walkabout and other episodes? There could be more than one thing. Whatever took the pilot didn't make the same noises. -- ZachsMind 16:40, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Security System vs. The Monster vs. Black Smoke

Is it safe to assume that these three are one in the same? --«««Joseph »»» 18:01, 28 February 2006 (PST)

I _think_ one of the producers/writers/people with inside information have said that there's no monster on the island.. I think JJ Abrams said that everything on the island could be logically explained (yeah right), which probably leaves out the possibility of a full scale monster. But I think it's too early to tell whether or not the smoke and the security system are the same. What if the smoke is only part of the security system? What about the hole Locke was sucked into? I think we just have to wait and see :-) --Jambalaya 01:47, 1 March 2006 (PST)

I don't think, there is a MONSTER (in the sense of a King-Kong-Type). There is SOMETHING on the island, that is most likely connected to Dharma. It seems to appear as a black smoke, but is also able to pull down trees (or persons) underground. My theory is, that there are some sort of tunnels underneath. The mechanical sound of all these things lead me to think that it really is something mechanical. However, one has to keep in mind that the name "monster" or "security system" or "black smoke" are given by viewers or characters from the show who both have not a clue as to what it really is (except maybe Locke). So they are only desriptive and theoretical, but since they are commonly used, I guess it's worth giving them articles. AKAIK there is only one article now to which all the other articles redirect? (ok, for "black smoke", there is a seperate page, since there is also Danielles reference to some other black smoke) --aurora glacialis 04:52, 1 March 2006 (PST)

I would say that yes, they are all the same.--Tricksterson

If they are all the same, then why is it that in Walkabout Locke was looking up at the "monster". Implying it to be about 13-14 ft. tall. But every other time we see the monster it appears to be at eye level with the Losties... --CrystalSkull 15:02, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

Listening to the sounds the monster has made, you can definitely hear a characteristic "electric flashing" noise it when flashing up the images from Eko's past. Comparing this to when the monster first appeared in the Pilot episode (in the distance), and when it took Locke at the end of Series 1, you can definitely hear the same characteristic noise, implying it is the same thing all three times. I'm not sure whether you can hear it when the pilot is taken out of the cockpit, but for the other times, the flashing noise implies Black smoke. -bl0nde 21:30, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Compare the sounds of Oceanic Flight 815 crashing to the sounds made by the monster in Pilot: Part 1. They are identical. Rose says as much, although that's been widely interpreted at this wiki as Rose saying the sounds remind her of the Bronx. In the episode, right after the monster appears for the first time, there's a flashback of the plane crash with Jack and Rose. Immediately following this flashback, Rose says that the sounds the monster makes "seem really familiar". The monster has some way of accessing the fears and traumas of the people it confronts. People with no fear are not deemed a threat. Boloboffin 09:03, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

Here is some far out speculation. I have no data to support it either. But remember when Sayid and Rousseau are talking? Sayid asks what it's all about, and Rousseau says something like "Like any other security system. It's protecting something." What if [DHARMA] engineered a Final Solution for bad people (in keeping with its supposed work in utopian societies)? What if the thing the cloud is protecting is the whole world? DHARMA was created to help solve the problem of nuclear self-destruction. Perhaps they thought killing people with tendencies toward violence and mayhem would bring about the change in the Equation. But DHARMA never finished its work so this crazy cloud is just trapped on the island. I don't know. Just a lame theory. hammerbeck 13:16, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Tree sucking?

Does it suck trees down?

In Boone's dreamstate the tree that announces the 'monsters' presence appears to be up rooted rather than sucked down.

It maybe that it appears the trees are being sucked down as the monster parts and shoves trees around into each other.

I think it might be a misinterpretation of what we see when it goes towards Locke early on and that fact it tries to pull him into a hole.

I could be wrong on this point..

It certainly makes a lot of noise and has some physical form. --MRNasher

To me the trees always seem to explode out of the ground, not be sucked into it. And it usually seems to be when it first appears. I think Old Smokey has an underground lair.

Its a good point.. we always get the monsters eye view of floating several feet above the victim and looking down at them. But could the 'monster' be underground most of the time and forcing trees up rather then pulling them up. We know the smoke doesn't mind being underground and might be it favoured way of getting around. --MRNasher

Yes, remember when Jack and Sayid found some kind of maintenance tunnels under the swan, when the were checking out the concrete? I suspect there's a system of tunnels all over the island.

Didn't Danielle say some trees are "safe", when they entered the dark territory to get the dynamite? I think that means, these trees won't be blown up by the security system. But how does she know? NPORTERN

I think the underground tubes the monster uses have tree roots growing through them and the trees exploding or bending is the monster poassing under them --Jazza|talk|Contributions 17:43, 20 April 2007 (PDT)

Good points. I can't recall seeing any uprooted trees in any jungle trips that people have made, maybe they are sucked down. Loop

Beast?

can it be this? http://www.djdan.am/mythic-beast.html

- It could be, but the whole "black smoke" would suggest otherwise.

---- Beeth 07:59, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

Nah. It's too sexy to be the monster.

Coloured Smoke

Can someone point out the episodes and running time where the coloured smokes can be seen, especially the red and white of course :) --MRNasher

I don't think anyone can as there hasn't been such episodes. Just a theory at this point. I guess it's based on the houses in the mural or something somesuch.--skks 17:24, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Now that's a really wild theory. Should I write in the article, that the smoke could of course also be rainbow colored? I think, even the theories section of the articles should contain the more realistic theories, not totally wild speculation! Just MHO --aurora glacialis 01:22, 15 March 2006 (PST)

Ahh.. i see.. I'd seen a few references to other coloured smokes on other 'more hysterical' lost sites but i seems for the most part people were getting carried away with burning wreckage, camp fires or clouds even. --MRNasher

I just think it's people extrapolating from the commoness of the color white, and to a lesser extant red. So far neither has been seen.--Tricksterson 07:12, 15 March 2006 (PST)

i don't even think this qualifies as a theory at this point. there's no evidence whatsoever, it's purely an extrapolation of some theories that are unconfirmed in themselves. --user:Kaini

Creating Fear or Sensing It?

One of the other ideas being thrown around about the Security System is that it senses whether a person is a threat by reading it's mind. However, fear prevents the creature from doing so thus it attacks. Eko showed no fear so the creature went away. Same thing with Locke the first time. The second time Locke ran into it however, he was afraid and so it attacked him. --Jmast7 03:07, 31 March 2006 (PST)

Was the pilot afraid though? Not significantly. This seems close to the truth, but not quite there yet. --Red 20:52, 7 July 2006 (PDT)

Watching a clip on YouTube, I would have to describe the look on Locke's face when he first saw the monster as "fearful". To be quite honest, he looks about ready to crap his pants. I mean, his lips are quivering. This is arguable, though; one could as easily claim that Locke was merely in a great amount of awe. Eko, on the other hand, appeared far less afraid. He was definitely surprised by the trees being uprooted initially, but when he stared up at the monster he appeared far more bold than Locke was.

Also, I wouldn't describe the monster as "attacking" Locke the second time he encountered it. We (sort of) saw it attack the pilot and we saw it catch Shannon in Boone's dream (although it was a dream; it was impossibly accurate considering Boone had never had an encounter with the monster prior to it). In either instance the victim was lifted into the air before being mutilated; no dragged down. I am fairly sure that if the monster was attempting to kill Locke that time around, it would have done so fairly effortlessly. --Eleo 18:33, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

Roussaeu and Sayid

It's strange how in th first season it was assumed that there was a T Rex style monster which gobbled people up (like the pilot) and they've seemed to step away from that idea now. When Sayid and Rousseau first meet she hears a noise (which I've already commented on, she'd said 'it might be one of the bears'- you'd think it was the only episode i've seen!) and Sayid says 'It could be the monster' to which she replies 'there's no such thing as monsters' which i think is quite significant.--LostCat 07:00, 22 April 2006 (PDT)

Security System Missing?

I don't believe we've seen or heard of the security system since Kate and Jack dropped a stick of dynamite in the hole that Locke was being pulled into in the Season 1 finale?

Although we clearly saw the Security System make its escape, how do we account for this? --Terryjb

We saw it confront Eko and Charlie in "Psalm 23"--Tricksterson 09:28, 15 May 2006 (PDT)

Ah, of course, one of the most important viewings of the Security System and I forget all about it. I did watch the episode again this morning and curiously, the black smoke seems to "disappear" downwards into the ground.

Although this is nothing new, it does add a little more to the idea that the black smoke uses underground tunnels for travelling. --Terryjb

It's semi-accurate that we haven't "heard" it. We didn't hear that menacing "roar" it makes all through Season 2. --Eleo

We saw the Monster... but we didn't know it...

On this last official podcast they said that the we saw the monster this season.. but we didnt know it! :O

I wonder what form it took... a person, a vision, a dream, an object (giant 4 toed foot? :P).

I think its been said before that Jack's father appearing on the island could have been 'the monster' too and that the smoke is not the monster... plenty to think about.

--MRNasher

How about a green bird of pray? Now more frame by frame searching for ??? Give me something to do until Season 3. --Techiedavid 18:40, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

i'm quite a fan of the 'cerebrus vent' theory; that when they discharge the energy from the electromagnet, it has to go somewhere (into the ground would be nice, but i think that it's way too simple and easy when the writers have a plot device like that in front of them waiting to be used); perhaps the monster is a result of discharging the electromagnetism in some way; and the discharge is the result of a massive discharge of monster energy. k a i n i. 18:55, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

How this for a theory: The 'dreams' from the ? episode that Mr. Eko and John Locke had were actually the monster. They both had previous contact with the monster and maybe it made them predisposed to more communication. --Techiedavid 10:30, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

From the article "Hurley's bird, Kate's horse, Sawyer's frog and Jack's dad, all hallucinations"... Sawyer's frog was a hallucination? --CrystalSkull 16:13, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

Could the monster appearance be Kate's horse? --Nickb123 08:53, 4 June 2006 (PDT)

Maybe Dave was a version of the monster? --Mapledell 01:57, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

To be honest I hope its none of the aforementioned theories, I'd prefer its something slightly more mundane (for want of a better word) --Nickb123 14:29, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

Could the monster have been the smoke that Sayid was supposed to make? We never saw him burn the special leaves that make BLACK SMOKE. Could it have been the monster and not the smoke? --nischwartz 09:55, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Doubtful. The black smoke was rising freely-the monster seems to be smaller. -- Ramirez Selvarn 09:59, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Added section on the bottom of "Theories" - seems that the Monster was really Yemi from Eko and Locke's dreams. --Jmast7 20:58, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

It seems to me that there's an image of the monster's black smoke when the torches are extinguished. It could be that the torches are not controlled by people, but by the monster. --Jajasoon 11:53, 14 June 2006 (PDT)

Greg Nations said we saw it after the Palm 23 episode. That rules out Jack's father and Kate's horse. And the dreams/hallucinations like Dave, Yemi seem unlikely because the losties were having dreams and hallucinations before The 23d Psalm. It's safe to assume the smoke we saw was Sayids. The torches seem unlikely as well. People are quite clearly visible.

Just because people were having dreams before the 23rd Psalm doesn't mean that dreams after that couldn't be the Monster. Furthermore, we know that something happened in the 23rd Psalm to set up the appearance of the Monster later on (Hmmm... wonder what that could be). No, the Monster was clearly trying to communicate with Locke and Eko through dreams (it can read minds, remember. And was very familiar with Eko's past) and convince them to keep pressing the button, which it considers very important. --Jmast7 08:27, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

...Which makes me think. Maybe not pressing the button (as in the "Live together, Die Alone" epsiode) killed the monster!? The end of the world, they claim - but who's world? --Noseman 2006 15:57, 12 October 2006

The Bird seems to be a candidate since the first time he appeared it was right before the monster did. But then again Exodus is situated before the 23d Psalm.

I'm wondering, what about that strange black rock in SOS?

^ Volcanic rock on a volcanic island :)

My personal theory is that it is somehow responsible directly or indirectly for people's dreams and hallucinations. I don't think it physically is anything but whatever the black smoke is, but it "is" these things (like Yemi, Jack's father, Ana-Lucia) in a metaphorical way. Perhaps it is a medium for the dead to communicate to the living? Considering how it might be called "Cerberus" and there is some type of hell/underworld on the island that is being alluded to on the show... This could be why Eko mis-recites "valley of the shadow of death" as "shadow of the valley of death". Shadow = the monster. Valley of death = hell/underworld. --Eleo 20:05, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

So, the recurrent theme of "black rocks" (as opposed to the shipwrecked Black Rock) may be related to The Monster? Is The Monster black rock dust? Should we be calling The Monster "Dusty" instead of "Smokey"? I'm referring to a fan-theory that was Dugg recently. While some of the writer's theories have been debunked, the recurrent theme of Volcano's in The Man Behind The Curtain are making me wonder about the black rocks on the Island. It would certainly fit with "We saw the Monster... but we didn't know it..." and make the idea of the Island being a character more literal (i.e. The rocks contain a consciousness) --Malic 14:55, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

A Very Creative Idea!!!

I had a very interesting theory, maby the Black Smoke is a security system, and Cerberus could really be a three headed dog that was created by the Zoo Hatch!!! Sincerely--Jigsaw 17:24, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

I think that Cerburus is the monster. Also, the mention that "A mouse does not rely on one hole" can be related to the monster. The monster can be seen on many occasions retreating into the ground. The most visible of these is in "Exodus part two" When Locke is dragged away by the monster he is dangling over a hole. The monster underground theory is also supported by the visible lines on the blast door connecting the stations. It has often been theorised that this is the mode of transport for the others. It could be tunnels used by the monster.

Little Questions

http://www.dieoxidiertenschweine.de/phpBB2/files/retuschiert_111.jpg <~ that tree made me curios. it's mirrored in the middle... maybe a clue for something?

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2356/monsterface9tf.jpg <~ the faces of the twins from the boat in the monster before we saw the twins... also a clue?

I'm really not sure about these pictures... well , the second cleary showes the twins (i think so ^^) but the first is just... strange O.o --Cool Man 0912 16:54, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

[1]

Just wanted to throw this out here. What do you honestly think the black mischief makers are? The security system or just wreckage.

Uhm, do you know what pareidolia is? Have you seen virgin Mary in a burrito lately? --†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 07:26, 14 June 2006 (PDT)

I re-watched season 1 again, and I paused it on the frame with the tree in Exodus Part 2 just as the black smoke escapes the hole in the ground. And I also seen the mirrored tree, two reasons they could have done this. Either it is a clue, which looks a lot like a totem pole to me. Or they simply wanted the screen to shake and had to add more to the left side of the image, so they simply flipped it and put it there for a second. Either way it is creepy looking.

"She will blow us all up..."

When the monster drags Locke down into the hole, I noticed that Kate seems to mouth perfectly along with Locke saying, "She will blow us all up..." when Jack tells her to throw the dynamite down the hole, and the shot looks as though it was meant to specially inserted. Can anyone think of the significance of this line, or a character with the potential to kill everyone up? Correct me if I'm wrong, though....

Kate said it will blow us all up meaning the dynamite.--Captain Insano

Removed speculative paragraph

Removed the following paragraph as it was incorrect. The monster was not seen anywhere in the pilot episode, only heard. This was confirmed by the producers some time ago. The writer was referring to the black shadow that apparently destroys the turbine, but this is just a piece of falling debris. There are also some CGI/CSO issues in that sequence (for example, the exploding turbines are both CGI/set composites, and some shots are composited together from different sources) which result in minor artifacts on the screen. These are technical issues and not deliberate clues.--Werthead 12:13, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

"Black smoke is all over in Lost, you just have to look close. Black smoke can be seen when trouble is brewing, it terrorized the survivors shortly after the crash in the pilot episode, threw a man in a turbine and even made the wing fall. If you don’t believe me just look for yourself, they fly around the crash site breaking things and causing terror and fear. And when I say they I mean they, there is more than one, that I am sure of. After slowing down and zooming in on just about every episode of Lost I can get my hands on for season one, I am going to take part on Damon's scavenger hunt and, im sure black smoke will be seen in season two of Lost somewhere, you just have to have a very keen eye and you will find thousands of clues in the world of Lost. The real question is, was the security system attacking the ruins of the plane because that’s its job, to destroy machines and cause fear to humans, or was it just having a little "harmless" fun?"

Good removal. --SilvaStorm 07:35, 4 July 2006 (PDT)

Monster = Smoke (Official)

Though we already pretty much knew, Carlton Cuse pretty much ended any possible debates that the Smoke Creature is not the monster:

"The smoke creature and the monster are one and the same."

It's here [2]if you wanna check it out. --Sauron18 00:17, 22 July 2006 (PDT)

Monster's sounds

In the main article it is claimed that the monster makes sounds of a "dot matrix printers of NY taxi cabs". I have noticed something familiar about it as well, in the episode Walkabout (9 minutes and 40 secs into the episode) Locke's office equipment makes the exact same noise. --Assaf 14:50, 23 July 2006 (PDT)

Could it be that the monster simply imitates sounds it has picked up from the people it has encountered? I don't mean that in the sense that it extracts memories from people and projects them back to/for them, but rather in the sense that it's searching for an identity for itself. --Noseman 2006 15:49, 12 October 2006 (CET)

Pics

Like the new format, but can we have at least one pic outside of the gallery - grouping it makes the article look really dull --Nickb123 (Talk) 10:00, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

Of course! Although, I couldn't find one for the Pilot episode. :( It would be nice to have one of the trees being knocked down in the jungle, seen from the beach.--Peephole 11:13, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

Monster VS. Monsters

This is a very strange theory and nothing else, but what if the "monster" in Pilot is only a small piece of the puzzle that surrounds the smoke monster. Although people have been quick to shoot down the ground sloth theory (due to it's lack of aggressiveness), maybe the real culprit behind the pilot's death was THIS. In case somebody doesn't recognize the picture, it is one of DJ Dan's pictures at the bottom of the screen. The Megatherium wasn't a predator, but was very terretorial, stood roughly twenty feet tall, and was featured in Journey to the Center of the Earth. Perhaps the sentient Black smoke controls a past environment underground (Ranging from prehistoric sharks to polar bears) and opens large doors or hatches (ie: the mechanical sounds from Pilot/Exodus)When someone is close enough to it's "base of operations". The creatures such as the Megatherium emerge, hungry from weeks or months with very little food, and therefore can attack those who encroach upon them. Just a (very) odd thought: --Mighty Rearranger 09:12, 14 August 2006 (PDT)

I still wonder if the mapinguari or some type of "monster" exists on the island. The fact that this megatherium existed up until about 8000 years ago (holy crap, that's pretty recent) makes me think perhaps some creature that is extinct everywhere else on the world might live on this rather isolated island. And, well, this creature is practically identical to the traditional mapinguari except that it was real. Then again, maybe not! --Eleo 18:57, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

"Monster" in quotation marks

This article, I feel, is a mess and I've made small steps to clean it up such as rewording certain things and describing them more vividly and succinctly. I am wondering why it is insisted that "monster" be in quotation marks. Although it might not be an actual monster per se, and that is not its official name, the quotations seem redundant as the monster/Cerberus/etc is generally referred to by the fans and creators alike as just "the monster". I feel that until it is confirmed that the monster has a real name then the quotations are just unnecessary. Is anyone with me on this?

I'm not--Captain Insano

Yes please give reasons why -_-

I actually agree with the original editor's argument (please sign talk page comments, though). Simpler titles are best on wikis, without quotes to confuse search engines. Yes, we have redirects, but all the same, the quotes are unnecessary. Many times, we have nicknames on lostpedia until we have formal names (i.e. Patchy, former page Mr. Friendly, etc.) and we don't use quotes. In this case, there's no confusion what a Monster title itself would bring, everyone knows what we're talking about because this is a common fan/TPTB nickname. --Pandora X 07:16, 28 December 2006 (PST)

You should have seen the article's state before I made some edits. Problem is that the theory section is much too large. Someone should weed out all the crap. I don't really care whether the article has quotation marks or not. Oh and is the list of monster appearances complete? --Peephole 06:51, 23 August 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, this looks a lot nicer now. I think that the quotes look kind of strange to me, but I won't be upset if they're left up there. I also think that, although the list of appearances is complete, we should distinguish whether we at home saw the black smoke itself, or if we heard what we believe to be sounds emitting from the monster.--Mighty Rearranger 14:38, 23 August 2006 (PDT)

Yeah I agree. I noticed that while I was editing, there were some times I saw or typed "appearance". It's hard to state - eloquently - that the monster was there, but that the audience didn't actually see it without dumbly putting "we didn't actually see it." This is compounded by the fact that often we describe the character seeing it but yet the audience didn't see it.

Anyway, I (earlier) moved Boone's dream to the "Encounters" section because previously it was isolated from the encounters, and I don't think it was that significant. I think we have all of the encounters, but personally I think we could expand on the precise events of the encounters. As far as theories, maybe we could isolate the "theories" section and make it its own page? It seems impossible to remove some people's theories while keeping others (unless multiple theories are identical). I feel we can either movie theories elsewhere or get rid of it all together. --Eleo 15:43, 23 August 2006 (PDT)

Monster/Dark Matter Theory

I put this here because it's pure speculation. What if the monster is associated with Dark Matter? I mean, that would prboably fling the show into the Sci-fi category if the remote possibility of it being true actually comes true, but I read theory somewhere on the net concidering the possibility of Dark Matter having something to do with electromagnetism. For those who don't know what dark matter is, it's a theoretical form of matter which accounts for much of the universe. In other words, there may be more Dark Matter then regular matter. It could also govern the fate of the universe in the end of it all, but I'm no expert with that. I was reading a book the other day, which is likely pure fantasy, but described Dark Matter as having a sort of mind of it's own. Comments on this theory here if you wish. --Gateboy42 08:45, 27 August 2006 (PDT)

Blackbody Radiation

Spencer says:

The monster is an example of a blackbody. A blackbody is an absorption of radiation.

We've got to separate theories from the article

In my opinion, the over-abundance of people's theories is making this article (and others) way too bulky. If it was 1-10 theories, okay, but as it is there is more speculation in this article than there is fact, and it's pretty sloppy if you ask me. It's only going to get worse as the show goes on (well of course until they reveal everything about the monster). Anyone with me? Getting rid of some of the redundant theories will work only to an extent and I can only see it causing people a lot of grief in the long run. --Eleo 21:00, 20 September 2006 (PDT)

we don't need a new article; this article just needs pruning by someone applying the Canon definitions extremely strictly, imo. --k a i n i. 22:39, 20 September 2006 (PDT)

I'm confused; how is it a good idea to apply Canon to theories? The whole idea is that what is canon has very little to do with them... --Eleo 23:30, 20 September 2006 (PDT)

Last Appearance?

To add onto the theory above (which I just noticed...must remember to read a page before I add to it) why couldn't the black smoke from Sayed's fire was in fact the monster? It seemed a lot darker than that of the fire we saw in the 'Glass Ballerina' and who's to say that the monster can't form into a pillar? More biblical images abound with that theory but I'll let the other conspiracy nuts delve into that :)

Comments please - Shaft121 12:51, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

Darmon and Jalad at Tanabra

I think that I've found a possible inspiration for The Monster. I was going to post this in the forums, but it wouldn't let me register b'cause the string-of-characters picture is expletived up.

There was this episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called Darmok, which is all about two societies who, despite their translators making them effectively speak the same languages, can't comprehend each other. There's this whole thing with working together and stuff, and thematically, it bears some at least vague similarities to Lost. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Darmok_%28episode%29 summary there.

but the important thing is the violent, mysterious, unexplained creature with electricity powers of some sort, which becomes invisible and is of a generally indeterminate shape. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/El-Adrel_IV_lifeform I'm not sure how to incorporate this into a theory or anything, or if there's even enough of it to draw a proper parallel; so I leave it up to you guys to decide.--NotARedHerring 12:51, 27 October 2006 (PDT)

Any similarities to Rover from "The Prisoner"

Is it possible that the appearance of The Monster is similar to that of the balloon-like Rover? --Schrodinger's Cat

       Has anyone else noticed that "Rover" from "The Prisoner" is a dog's name, similar to 
       that of "cerebrus"? Is this a tongue in cheek reference to "The Prisoner", or something 
       deeper? Remember the horrible metallic screams that Rover made as well, they seem quite
       akin to the whirring and mechanical sounds we hear from the monster.--Rabbit beater 16:49, 22 May 2007 (PDT)

Now We Know What It Is

So the monster was the Yemi Visions Eko had, as many of us theorized, as well as some sort of judged about whether people are "good" or "Bad", and can change form (Smoke-Visions-Light). I guess we need a nice big update. --Sauron18 19:15, 1 November 2006 (PST)

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