Do you have an idea for a new wiki? Please share it with us here
Take the Dharma Wants You test, all about Lostpedia, here

From Lostpedia

Lord of the Flies Theory

In the book Lord of the Flies there was an ongoing case of mistaken identity between the two characters of Sam & Eric. It is possible that the writers of Lost purposefully did the Scott & Steve confusion as an homage to the book. IF this were the case, they would never confirm such an intentional homage in podcasts or anywhere, because it'd defeat the purpose of such confusion, were they ever to clarify it. Even if they wanted to admit it, doing so would cause the confusion to cease, thus ending the homage: catch-22. Just food for thought. -- ZachsMind 14:11, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Sticky Wikis

we need no stinkin' link to that second-class wiki... †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --09:23, 22 May 2006 (PDT)

Second class or not, at least they can tell the difference between two different actors. --Hen-Regale 10:10, 22 May 2006 (PDT)

I'm not so sure, I can't tell off that picture if Steve is the one who is dead. One shirt thats similar doesn't mean its Steve that died. --Plkrtn 01:25, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

I wondered if posting a link to a competing Wiki might be against etiquette. The article (on the "other" site) is good and comprehensive, it would be easier to just copy the whole thing over but that would presumably breach their copyright? --ActiveValue 10:19, 22 May 2006 (PDT)

There is no copyright on a Wiki. Its copyleft. No one owns the copyright to Lostpedia's content, except any that are owned by Bad Robot/et al. --Plkrtn 01:25, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Kopyleft, actually. ~.^--NotARedHerring 13:22, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

gotta work on my texan accent... well, we need our own article, that's for sure, if it's originally created it's better, I wouldn't like to copy it, not because of copyright but because that looks bad and damages our street cred. †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --10:22, 22 May 2006 (PDT)

If confirmation from the actor is not enough, You guys have problems. - The Fuselage.

I'm getting my DVDs out and checking this right now...

Just checked and I can confirm, you cannot tell via the DVDs. I went frame by frame and you cannot tell... I referenced The Moth against Homecoming, the only thing that gives it away is the shirt, but it wouldn't be surprising if they shared clothing or had similar shirts. --Plkrtn 11:14, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

It also appears that this little debate has made it's way to the Lost Wikia. They've got a pic on their Scott and Steve talk page that may interest you - http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Scott_and_Steve --Hen-Regale 10:25, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Gimme a break.

the show's internal continuity demonstrates Scott is dead and Steve is alive. I don't even know why we're having this controversy, ok, someone wants conspiracy theories, we have more than enough of those already. The transcripts are consistent, and watch your own pic, that's Steve. .
†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 11:08, 23 May 2006 (PDT)~~

That is NOT Christian Bowman! That is definately Dustin Watchman.

Christian can be seen at the start of the episode.

If you want further proof from the actor. The tagline for Christian's MySpace page is: "Hey... aren't you that dead guy from LOST...."

It also says "I just moved out to Los Angeles from Honolulu, HI where I enjoyed the recurring role of Steve on the hit television show LOST."

--Hen-Regale 23:44, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

That IS Christian Bowman. You need to get your eyes checked out, that is totally Steve in that picture (the first one). And the reason his MySpace says that is because people keep confusing the two characters, just like you're doing now. And the reason it says "Enjoyed" is because he simply doesn't work for the show anymore and his role is over with for the time being. Rose and Bernard weren't featured in Season 3 till the end and they're still alive. Just because someone isn't physically shown on the show doesn't mean they're dead.OrangeXenon54 11:11, 6 September 2007 (PDT)

• I really don't know what the confusion is here. The person highlighted in the top scene is definitely the guy on the right, aka Scott, aka Dustin. There is no way it is Christian/Steve/Left guy. The bottom one (Michael/Walt hotel shot) may or may not be Christian/Steve, but is not Dustin/Steve. The "Scott and Steve" bit is an inside joke. However it started (I think unintentionally by a writer writing the wrong name or casting putting in the wrong actor), it would be a very lame conspiracy or plot twist for any future episode. macosx 18:48, 8 December 2007 (PST)

Actor vs. producer

Ok, now you chose a pic from a flashback, that's not conclusive. If I had to choose between believing a MySpace account and an official interview I would put my money on the interview with the producers. You have already set your mind and I know you will ignore the transcripts and the interview. but believe this, There is a note in the writers' board that says; Scott is dead Steve is alive. C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me. †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --03:44, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Fuselage VIP entry for Dustin Watchman - How did Scott (played by Dustin Watchman) appear in Season 2 episodes.....if he's dead?

--Hen-Regale 09:14, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Flashbacks definitely can't be trusted as objective sources of information. Carlton and Damon acknowledged that they're from characters' points of view and not objective recordings of previous events. --Ernest 12:31, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Flasbacks can't be trusted? So if we saw a Jack flashback, you wouldn't be able to say: "Hey, that's Matthew Fox"? Or would you mistake him for Josh Holloway. That's my point. Christian appeared at the start of the episode, and looks nothing at all like Dustin. --Hen-Regale 07:16, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

Interview with Carlton Cuse & Adam Horowitz

From an E Online interview with Jennifer Godwin:

JG: Okay, here's a big question: Scott was eulogized, but rumor has it that it was actually Steve that was killed, even though Hurley apologized for calling Scott Steve. Which one is really alive?

CC: I have no idea.

JG: That's your official executive producer answer? You have no idea?

AH: We actually have a notecard on the board in the room that says "Scott is dead, Steve is alive."

CC: Yes.

AH: We'd lost track.

CC: Scott's dead, Steve's alive.

Amberjet11 11:25, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Thats enough for me. Changed the article to confirm Scott is dead and Steve is alive. --Plkrtn 11:35, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Are the theories worth anything, then? --Cajuncook 12:07, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Not when the people who created it tell us otherwise... Much like purgatory has been ruled out --Plkrtn 12:53, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Help from the community

We need more voices; we have gathered the evidence, what do others think about this? †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --10:12, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Let's see if I've got this straight - Producers have stated "Scott is Dead and Steve is alive" in interviews. Christian Bowman (who presumably played "Steve") has not been on the show since Season 1. Dustin Watchman (who ostensibly plays "Scott") has been an extra in several episodes of season 2, though never with a speaking role, or directly referenced with a character name by anyone. The possibilities are:

• The Producers are lying, or don't know, or are continuing the joke outside of the show. Dustin Watchman has been retained as random extra or to play some future character, or for a future reveal that Scott is still alive.
• the Producers are telling the truth, Scott is dead and Dustin Watchman is just a random extra, or is now playing Steve (due to either continuity error or some future plot point that Scott/Steve switched identities).

Unless this becomes a major plot point in the future, I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I just added a bit of text to the main page indicating that Dustin is apparently still an extra on his show, even though his character is officially deceased. My guess is this is a simple continuity issue that the writers/producers have decided to turn into an inside joke. Maybe they just like working with Dustin Watchman so they've kept him around...--Isotope23 10:47, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

--Hen-Regale 11:42, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

This is one of the reasons I hate Star Trek.†††GodEmperorOfHell††† --11:45, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

I say we set a date and time that we should have this settled by, if it's not resolved by then we leave the page as is, (have a sysop lock it) and write a note at the top with some witty comment about how the identities of the two are unknown and therefore constantly mixed up.        talk contribs                   11:48, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

I second Koolaidman. Lock it up and if this becomes a plot point or compelling evidence is presented on the talk page we can unlock this and change it. It's stupid to have an edit war over such a minor plot element that is likely to never actually be resolved. I removed the sceve image from the main article because it is misleading; there is no evidence Christian Bowman's character is deceased... that is just being inferred because he has not appeared as an extra in Season 2. Again, this could be simply a continuity or casting error for all anyone knows. This whole conversation reminds me of the Simpson's "Poochie" episode where Homer has to do the FanCon and the guy asks the question about why "Itchy hits the same rib twice, but clearly you can hear two distinct notes being played..."--Isotope23 12:21, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

My opinion of the evidence is that it's 98% conclusive that Scott is dead and Steve is alive. There are oddities involved either way. It's not inconcievable that Dustin Watchman did indeed start playing scott but is now playing Steve. Incidentally, I think the quotes from the show characters are stronger evidence than the producer's quotes, since they've always been ambiguous in their sarcasm, and now that they've stated that the hanso foundation is real, they can't really be cited as purely factual sources. (I feel a little dirty saying I trust Walt and Hurley over real people, but whatever). The bottom line: Scott is dead, Steve is alive. --Ernest 12:26, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

I believe that Steve is the one who died. One of the evidence is the shirt. Also, if you read the ABC Lost diary, there is one entry that said that it is Steve who died. -- Chatake 13:47, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

folks I know both Christian and Dustin and the answer isn't that complex. The script supervisor messed up. The writers wanted to kill one of them so it would be someone the fans knew and not a random redshirt. They were going to kill Scott originally but Dustin wasn't avail the day they finally settled to film the discovery scene. Christian was. So Hurley should have said Steve was dead but he got mixed up, the supe was mixed up and didn't catch the mistake and now it's part of the running gag that no one knows which of them is really Scott and which is Steve. --Jayerb 09:33, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Score one for the producers

It's hilarious. --Ernest 12:15, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

LOST-TV Forums

Ok, these guys are definately the expert on redshirts......let's see what their pics say:

Image:Redshirts.jpg

--Hen-Regale 12:52, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

• Image deleted as copyvio of unique image from lost-tv forums. Image may be recreated if explicit permission from lost-TV sysops is obtained. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 11:54, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

That proves nothing... it's sheer speculation. I could just as easily create an image and slap any text I want to on it.--Isotope23 13:02, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

What I'm trying to say is, these people have studied the redshirts. They know a hell of a lot more than any of you. --Hen-Regale 13:05, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

^^ i couldn't care less about this debate, it's rather irrelevant, but that's a very arrogant statement --kaini. 13:07, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, and presumptuous... for all Hen knows I spend hours a day poring over my lost DVDs/Tivo'd episodes to find every single redshirt... Maybe Hen is in the Pearl watching my every move!

Seriously though, I've updated the main article to show that there is an obvious disconnect between what is stated on the show and what the producers have stated and how the parts have actually been cast. Since it's a running joke, it's really much ado about nothing and since I'm tired of debating the excruciating minutae of fanboydom... I'm content to leave it as is.--Isotope23 13:12, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Take a chill pill guys

Guys, what's the fuss about? All this "It's A", "no it's B", "no it's A", "no it's B" ... it'll only raise your blood pressure and send you to an early grave. Chill! It's clearly an in-joke so let's laugh about it and be happy that we understand the joke and we're "in"!

--ActiveValue 13:49, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Just a link to something that may help others - LOST-TV Forum explanation of how Steve is dead --Hen-Regale 22:15, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

Bernard & Ana-Lucia use different names

In The Long Con, Ana-Lucia mentions Scott. In SOS, Bernard mentions Steve.

This shows that even characters who never met both Scott and Steve still mix them up. It seems the castaways themselves aren't sure whom they buried.

Bernard is referring to Steve by his last name, which implies some familiarity. It seems clear that either Steve is dead or Scott has taken Steve's identity. Anyway, ITS A JOKE. --Piscez 19:12, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

Someone show me where and when it was officially revealed that Steve's last name is Jenkins. To me, it seems like someone placed it on IMDB or something and it was suddelny recognized as Canon. But on the show, it's never been revealed, and Christian was always only creditted as "Steve" for The Moth and his flashback appearance in Exodus. Bernard could have been referencing anyone when he said "Jenkins". --Hen-Regale 09:28, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

*

It's a joke. Move on. --†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 08:13, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

Errors

Glad the page is locked, but here's a couple errors I just caught:

• "...and Steve is alive still alive and well." - Should be "...and Steve is still alive and well."
• The quote with Jack from "What Kate Did" is wrong and the whole section should be removed. Jack clearly says: "Yeah, Charlie, everything's fine."

Rosencrantz and Guildenstern

Anyone else think that Scott and Steve are sort of a reference to R&G of Hamlet and Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead? Since everyone always gets them confused, even in death?--NotARedHerring 07:08, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

Does anyone else think that sometimes, we give the writers just a bit too much credit for their references, and sometimes, its just a mistake on set as to who they manage to play the dead guy? :-) -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:10, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

Podcast comments

Could somepne please add the producer-confirned story about Scott and Steve to this article? These new statements are probably the most important to this while story, and can help clear up some things in this article. --Aero*Zeppelin 19:16, 30 October 2006 (PST)

Scott is now Steve

Since Dustin (who has played Scott since the Moth), is still on the show, and "Scott" died. Isn't it plausable that Steve in fact died, and Scott is not impersonating Steve? Why bring back Christian to play Steve in Exodus, and then have Dustin on the island? It just messes it up. It seems like Scott is dead, and they messed up, or Steve is dead, and Scott is pretending to be him. --Dharmost 12:19, 5 January 2007 (PST)

How very, very sad

Why are you arguing over this? It seems a tad pathetic especially considering the writers threw it in as what is meant to be a mediocre joke. Don't mull over it. Princess Dharma (banned)

Chill, if you actually read the argument than you'd see the contriverse about Scott and Steve. Don't call other users "sad" because you have no interest in the debate. If you don't want people to mull over it then set an example yourself. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 13:13, 31 January 2007 (PST)

I've read the arguement and it seem completely irrelevant to the show. The whole Scott Steve thing is just a joke. This is an example of L.O.S.T fans being far too over analytical. --Princess Dharma (banned)

That's down to personal taste, I suppose. I really enjoyed it. What fun is an encyclopedia if we aren't going to bicker over trivial details? ;) -BearDog 11:53, 2 February 2007 (PST)

Lol. For that Beardog you deserve a hug. Princess Dharma (banned)

Scott in Season Three

This image is from Tricia Tanaka Is Dead. He's looking pretty healthy for a dead guy. Seriously, I think it's time this site caught up to the fact that Scott is still alive, and Steve died.JoserKyind 20:08, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

Why? We're going with the many times that the producers of the podcasts have said even explaining what happened.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  21:46, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

If you'll listen to the October 30th podcast that you cite, you'll find that it actually strenghtens my point. Damon and Carlton admit that they had long ago lost track of which actor played which character, and which character wound up dead. Therefore, the multiple statements made by the producers on the subject cannot be taken as gospel truth in this particular area. That being the case we have to go by what has actually happened in the show, and what has happened in the show is that Dustin Watchman, the actor who is credited with the part of Scott and identifies himself as Scott in The Moth is still seen multiple times on the island after Homecoming, even as recently as Tricia Tanaka Is Dead in season three. While Christian Bowman, the actor who is credited with the part of Steve and identifies himself as Steve in The Moth portrays the body found in Homecoming and has only been seen one time since that episode, and that one time was in Walt's flashback in Exodus Part 2, in Australia. Later, we have some characters referencing Steve still being alive and Scott being dead, and we have some characters referencing Scott still being alive and Steve being dead. Now, the only logical way to reconcile this is to conclude that Steve died, but many of the survivors still get the two of them confused. I honestly don't understand why lostpedia has been so adamant in its stance that Scott is the one that it dead, when there is so much evidence to the contrary. I'm not trying to start an argument, here. I'm merely trying to improve the site by making sure that the most accurate information is presented to its visitors. JoserKyind 02:11, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

From a writing standpoint there's a simple solution. Some time in season four give Dustin Watchman (and us) a Steve-centric episode. Actually it'd be Steve & Scott-centric. You could start the flashbacks before the crash if you wanted, but in one scene, take us back to a few minutes before that scene in The Moth where Steve & Scott correct Hurley. Show us that they've already noticed since the plane crashed that people get them mixed up and they don't know why but they think it's funny. As an inside joke between the two of them, they correct Hurley INcorrectly. Steve says he's Scott. Scott says he's Steve. After Hurley leaves earshot we see the two of them cracking up laughing. We then see them do this a few more times to other people with varying results... Then Scott (played by Christian Bowman) dies. Steve (Dustin Watchman) thinks he takes this in stride but it leaves him kind of in a state of shock. For the following days, when people refer to him, he answers to both Scott and Steve, and affirms with them that the other one passed away, cuz considering the fact that a friend just died, and they're trapped on the island, and a host of other more pressing issues, whether or not these complete strangers know his first name just isn't very important to him. So some Losties think he's Steve, and some think he's Scott, and he simply never corrects them. One can imagine how easily a simple misunderstanding like this could escalate. I think it'd make for an awesome episode. I'd call it "There But For The Grace." -- ZachsMind

Such an episode would certainly put an end to debate. BTW, it was Michael, not Hurley, who got the two confused in The Moth, and given the circumstances I find it rather difficult to believe that Scott and Steve would choose that exact moment to play their misidentification joke. However, I wouldn't hold my breath for a Sceve-centric episode, as Damon and Carlton have implied that there will be no pay-off for the Steve/Scott storyline in a podcast. Still a simpler way to solve the problem would be to have Scott, in present time, make a comment to someone about why he no longer corrects people about his name. -- JoserKyind 16:00, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

Entry for "What Kate Did" is spurious

That last entry under "Occurrences" should go. Aside from not really being relevant to the name confusion of Scott and Steve, the dialog doesn't match what's given here; Jack does address Charlie as Charlie. It's correct in the episode transcript and while the audio is not crystal clear a careful listen to the DVD is unambiguous. --Bastion 07:48, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Left Behind

Hurley mentions Steve as bringing water to the trough ever day ("Left Behind"), so whoever is still alive, Hurley think his name is Steve. --Jackdavinci 00:21, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

Scott is Dead, Bowman Quit, Watchman is now Steve

Personally I think Dustin Watchman played Scott in Season 1, and currently plays Steve now that Christian Bowman quit. Can we have a vote on that theory? I vote Yes.-- Comedy240 15:10, 8 April 2007 (PDT).

First, I've never seen any evidence that Christian Bowman quit. He left the show when he played the corpse found on the beach in Homecoming. He also made a return appearance, as Steve, in Exodus Part 1, in Walt's flashback. True, several characters (mostly Hurley), have spoken in a way that would indicate that Scott died, but not everything the characters say is actually true. Honestly, there is no evidence to support your theory. Therefore, I must vote most emphatically No. -- JoserKyind 15:37, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

My theory is base on two things:

• 1) Damon and Carlton confirmed Steve is alive, Scott is dead.
• 2) Dustin Watchman is still working as an extra for Lost, and Christian Bowman is not. Therefore, Watchman took over the role of Steve Jenkins after Bowman quit. -- Comedy240 15:56, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

My rebuttal of your evidence.

• 1) Damon and Carlton have admitted that they don't know which one is dead and which one is alive. They said themselves, in the podcast for October 30, 2006, that they do not know for sure which one is dead. Therefore, statements made by the producers regarding Scott and Steve should be considered with this fact in mind.
• 2) True Dustin Watchman is still on Lost. Yes, Christian Bowman is no longer on Lost. However, the reason for Christian longer bing on Lost is that he was the person portraying the corpse on the beach in Homecoming, and it would be illogical to have an actor we've seen dead still kicking around on the island. The only real evidence for an actor quitting is if they actually say that they've quit. So, unless you can produce a statement from Christian Bowman, stating that he quit, you have no real evidence to support that part of you theory. -- JoserKyind 16:09, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

• 1) Well in the E! interview on this page Calton said that Scott is dead officially, and we all know that in podcasts they string us along about redshirts (e.g. Neil). So officially, Scott is dead.
• 2) Bowman "quit" when he moved to the mainland USA between Seasons 1 and 2. He was not fired, and he didn't quit per se. He just moved away from Hawai'i. In my opinion I think Bowman is Steve in Season 1, and Watchman is Scott in Season 1 and Steve in Seasons 2 and 3. It is not unheard of for a character (Steve) to be replaced by another actor. Remember Bewitched? -- Comedy240 16:23, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

• 1) Unless you're referring to a different E! interview, Carlton first said that they were unsure which was dead. Then, Adam Horowitz said that it was Scott who was dead. After that, Carlton repeated the statement, going along with what Adam said. As for the podcast, perhaps you should read the transcript for that particular podcast. If you do, I'm sure you'll agree that this is nothing like the stuff about Neil.
• 2) Bowman stopped appearing on the series before he moved back to the mainland. His last on-island appearance was in "Homecoming", and Dustin Watchman continued to appear in season 1, after that episode, and is still on it, now. Therefore, Christian moving away really has nothing to do with him no longer appearing on the show. As for replacement actors, while it is not unheard of for a new actor to take over a role, how often is the new actor someone who has already appeared multiple times as a different character on the show, which is what you're suggesting? -- JoserKyind 16:44, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

• 1) I don't see why we are arguing on this point. Producers say Scott is dead. Steve is alive, they even have that post-it note saying so according to the podcasts you reference.
• 2) This is the real argument. Bowman didn't move to the mainland until after Exodus filmed (aka Season 1 was done). Just because he wasn't shown in any episodes after Homecoming doesn't mean he is dead. Scott wasn't in any episodes until Exodus again either. Probably just a mix-up. Maybe Watchman was Scott and now is just generic redshirt, and Steve is never going to be seen on screen again, but I think Watchman replacing Bowman is a better theory personally because Hurley's Steve comment in One of Us, and Watchman greeting Kate when she returns from Hydra. -- Comedy240 16:53, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

• 1) We are arguing this, because the producers have also said that they really don't know which one is truly dead, and they have explained the reason for the mix-up. Seriously read this transcript, and then tell me if you still think that a producer saying that one or the other is dead should be taken as the absolute bottom line.
• 2) Actually, Watchman (Scott) did appear in Season 1 after Homecoming and before Exodus, in the episodes Do No Harm and The Greater Good. I say that Christian Bowman (Steve) is dead, because, when they find the body of "Scott" in Homecoming, it is Christian Bowman playing the body. As for Hurley's comment in Left Behind (not One of Us), that only proves that he believes that the living one is named Steve. Also, how do you account for Ana-Lucia, who, being a Tailie, had not contact with either until after one had died, said that Scott was silling to sign up for the "army" to fight the Others. There is not logical reason for her to have confused the two, as she would have only have met the surviving one, and gotten his name directly from him. Honestly, the most logical explanation is that Steve died, and a lot of the survivors still have the two confused. -- JoserKyind 17:09, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

• 1) Officially (whether it is true or not) Scott is dead.
• 2) The Ana-Lucia comment doesn't matter becuase Bernard calls the Scott/Steve character "Jenkins (Steve)". In my opinion, Bernard, who spends time with the redshirts and is nice would be more likely to know Jenkins than Ana-Lucia, who was always with Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, etc., and who was a little on the rude side would know Scott. Probably Ana-Lucia heard the guy was named Scott from Sawyer or Sayid, and Bernard asked the guy what his name was to which he replied Jenkins. And I just realized you were right about Watchman in Season 1, so maybe Watchman and Bowman play Scott and Steve as two characters that can be played by either of them. Neither is a specific one, but as of Season 2 Watchman is Steve. -- Comedy240 17:24, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

• 1) This isn't really the case, as the only "official" statement made that supports it was from Adam Horowitz, and it was negated by statements made by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.
• 2) Bernard's statment only proves that there is a person on the island whom he refers to as "Jenkins". This does necessarily mean that he was referring to the Scott/Steve character. After all, neither Scott nor Steve ends up at his meeting, anyway. Also, we are now getting into the realm of pure assumption. You're assuming that Bernard has had multiple face-to-face meetings with all the redshirts, and would, thus, know them all by name. You are also assuming that Ana Lucia did not haveface-to-face meetings with the people that she was recruiting for her and Jack's army. As for neither actor being a specific character, this is simply not the case as, in The Moth, each actor clearly states which character they are, and they are both clearly creditted to the same characters in the credits. Also, when Christian Bowman returned for his flashback appearance in Exodus, he was creditted as Steve. -- JoserKyind 18:15, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

What Kate Did!?!

The entry about "What Kate Did" is totally irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand and it should be deleted. Quint

Done. Sorry, no one has alerted any SysOp directly to this, thats why it took so long.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:29, 11 April 2008 (PDT)

Solution to the puzzle

Scott and Steve are both dead. One of them got killed by Ethan, and the other one fell off a cliff or something. But they never noticed the other one dying because they didn't know which one was supposed to still be alive.

The reason we keep seeing Scott around is because he's a ghost, just like the ghosts of other people who have died on the Island: Christian Shephard, Eko's brother, etc. He's just a ghost who no one realizes is a ghost because they keep forgetting he's the one who's dead. -Silence 09:57, 15 July 2007 (PDT)

Appearances?

Does anybody have a list of what episodes Scott and Steve have actually appeared in (either with lines or in the background, whether they both appeared or just one)? I've been trying to find this out, but so far I haven't been able to find the information. And rewatching every episode two or three times just to look at the background cast seems somewhat exhausting.Jimbo the tubby 13:07, 15 January 2008 (PST)

Link to Diary

The link on this page that should go to Janelle's diary goes to the disambiguation page. ESachs 20:20, 29 February 2008 (PST)

They're lying

Has any body thought that they could have been lying about their names? In "The Moth" when they said their names they could have been jokeing or lying. They could have told people later who they really were. So this would mean that Dustin Watchman is Steve, not Scott. And Christian Bowman is Scott, not Steve. This would explane Watchman's apperance after Scott's death and why Bowman was buried instead of Watchman. And when the producers said that Steve went with Locke's group they were wrong. He went wiht Jack's group and can be seen on the Beach. I don't know if anybody else would accept my theory but if you don't always listen the the producers then it makes sense. --LostCloverfield42 17:59, 6 June 2008 (PDT)

• I'm for this one too. Dustin Watchman still appears in the background through Seasons 2, 3 and 4. In fact, he is even present on the second run of a Zodiac Raft alongside with Daniel and Craig. So, if we simply suggest that they were either lying or joking, we could easily fix the whole problem. How about a poll? Malachi 10:04, 7 June 2008 (PDT)
  • I think it's the most plausable explanation out there,(even though I created it). And can we really take the producers seriously? I mean half the time they say things jokeingly. I agree with Malachi, we should do a poll. But how do we do one, I'm not completely sure on how to do all this stuff --LostCloverfield42 17:13, 7 June 2008 (PDT)
    • I have talked with Christian Bowman about this (the interview will be posted July 27). Clarification may come then. -- Sam  T  C  11:13, 22 June 2008 (PDT)
• It turns out that Christian Bowman has not been on the show since "Homecoming," as stated on his actor page on this wiki. Apparently his was the body found on the beach, and he has not been seen on the show since. Dustin Watchman, however, has continued on the show. The other characters still seem to think Scott died and Steve is alive. Scott, however, has been seen as recently as the Season 4 finale. --Castaway815 17:29, 26 June 2008 (PDT)
  • Do you not think that if it was Steve who was dead, Scott would have spoken up? Regardless of the actor, Scott is dead and Steve is alive. See the talk page on Steve's article to learn exactly what happened. -- Sam  T  C  17:36, 26 June 2008 (PDT)
    • I think the easiest solution is the suggestion given here... that people had already confused them for each other and they were just playing along with it by making a joke (i.e. lying) the one time they actually said their names. A more complicated solution, if the producers wanted to make an episode out of it, would be to say that Steve was the one who actually died, but Scott took Steve's name after his death, capitalizing on the name confusion for his own purposes (be creative about that purpose).FlyingArrow 08:39, 4 July 2008 (PDT)