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Portal:Fan Films

Well, a new category is at hand. The divisions would be: Animated (LOSTed) Live-action and upcoming. research is at hand to locate more fan films to include in this new category, are you up to the task?. --†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 19:20, 10 August 2006 (PDT)

• I'd also say we should include the categories of "Parody films," and "fake clues" (or something like that for the bogus orientation films). If anyone's a YouTube junky, they should create a playlist for everything found and link to it from the entry. --Jajasoon 19:26, 10 August 2006 (PDT)
  • However, we should avoid creating subcats unless merited by large and unwieldy numbers of articles. Proliferation of categories could get very untidy very quickly, so I'd rather see use of existing cats, such as two cats (e.g. Fan Films and Parody), rather than a new combined cat (e.g. Parody Fan Film). -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T15:44, 29 August 2006 (PDT)
• I second that suggestion, we need a youtube list, and a better compilation of fanfilms in general. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T14:02, 19 August 2006 (PDT)

Delete

For the reasons stated in Lost: The Missing Tale--Mr. Crabby (Talk) 13:41, 27 February 2007 (PST)

I agree. Princess Dharma (banned)

We went through a deletion discussion before the film was released. It was agreed that once the film was complete, the film would be article worthy. If need be, I'll take the YouTube videos down, and just post a link to it. However, I do feel that since it is a fairly professionally done film, it merits its own article. --Bamfer23 21:20, 7 March 2007 (PST)

• Recently the other fan-made YouTube video articles were all deleted for the same reasons this one should be. It's just a bunch of YouTube videos, its not signifact at all, it was only here as self-promotion. If I made a video of me and my friends pretending to be on Lost, would that get its own article? I think it definly shouldn't. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 04:11, 8 March 2007 (PST)
  • While self-promotion is one of the reasons it is here, there are other reasons beyond that. This is the first professionally made fan film, that also had help from one of the cast members of Lost. It's a stand alone story. A video of you in your friends pretending to be on Lost wouldn't need its own article, because it'd be you guys messing around in a backyard somewhere. Off The Island is a full out side story that deals with the events going on the island. This article has been here since September. It charted the progress of the film up until completion. It's not just a bunch of "youtube" videos...it's something that took months of hard work and effort to complete. It's a short film. --Bamfer23 08:39, 8 March 2007 (PST)
    • Listen, I'm an amueter film maker myself. I know it takes a lot of time to do these type of things. I hope I'm not offending you, so please tell me if i am, but I fail to see how this justifies an article more than the pages for the other videos that were recently deleted. You can put whatever you want on a userpage, but this is an article. The other videos that used to have an article were also a stand-alone story, but as you can tell, their article no longer exists. Sorry, but that's how I feel. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:16, 8 March 2007 (PST)

• It isn't even that good. It's quite crap actually. Princess Dharma (banned)
  • Try to be a little more polite, the creator of this will read that --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:25, 8 March 2007 (PST)

• I don't really care. A proper artist should prepare for critisism. I fhe doesn't want his work judged he shouldn't make it and anyway I'm entitled to my opinion and it is this: THIS SHUCKS AND SHOULD BE MERGED. Princess Dharma (banned)

I'm a filmmaker also and i am good friends with the creator of this fan film. Although your statement is right "that artist should prepare for critisism, i think he'd rather like it if he was told politley that his fan film has to be merged, i think just merge the article to youtube spinoffs like all the other videos were, this was a great fan film by the way Jeff! From one filmmaker to another..--Jabadibah 12:41, 8 March 2007 (PST)

He should prepare for impoliteness as well then. I am a very blunt person and if he don't like it fine. Just merge the frickin page its not fair on all the other rubbish spinoffs. Princess Dharma (banned)

First off, PD: saying stuff like that can really ruin people's dreams. But to Bamfer, none of your reasons really justify keeping the article:

"This is the first professionally made fan film" Well I still don't see what's profesional about it, it seems quite ameatuer (no offense)to me.

"had help from one of the cast members of Lost" I didn't notice a cast member. Who is it?

"It's a stand alone story" so is evey other Lost-spinoff

"A video of you in your friends pretending to be on Lost wouldn't need its own article, because it'd be you guys messing around in a backyard somewhere." I know how much work this is, but I think this is also you and friends playing around.

"Off The Island is a full out side story that deals with the events going on the island." Still doesn't need to have its own article.

This article has been here since September. I'm sorry, I know it's quite surprising to have an article on for so long, and to now be nominated for deletion.

"It's not just a bunch of "youtube" videos...it's something that took months of hard work and effort to complete." I know film-making isn't easy, but saying it's hard work doesn't justify an article.

I really do respect you and what you do. I'm getting into film-making myself, but this should be mergered or deleted. No offense, but it really should. I have much to learn from film-makers like you. Please tell me if I've offened you and I'll drop the subject. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:28, 9 March 2007 (PST)

Why should you drop the subject if you've offended him? You have a valid case and he's offended me by putting this here in the first place. Princess Dharma (banned)

• I'm just trying to be respectful to a fellow film-maker. Aren't you being a little extreme by calling his work crap and saying he offened you by making an article? --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:32, 9 March 2007 (PST)

It is crap as are all LOST fan films that conribute nothing to anything. It's offensive that he thinks his work should be credited above everything else. He doesn't need respect he needs telling. Princess Dharma (banned)

• Evaluating - The primary criterion here is the noteworthiness of the video in the Lost fan "universe", and the quality of the video is not an issue. I would ask for editors to evaluate the links in the external links section for evidence that this video series has made some impact (as opposed to the links being examples of self-promotion by the video creator). On a separate but significant note, the article text copy obviously suffers from conflict-of-interest issues, as well as possible spam (self-promotion or vanity usage). Lostpedia generally follows Wikipedia in this regard, so please refer to: Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest and Wikipedia:SPAM. Therefore the article does need cleanup to remove self-promotion and non-NPOV material. That said, I'd like to ask all the participants in this discussion not to have this degenerate into a flame discourse that is completely irrelevant to the issue of deletion review. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 12:41, 9 March 2007 (PST)

The Sky One Specials article says this was a fan-made special shown, could someone explain to me what exactly this was? Did SkyOne show it, or was it endorsed by Lost producers? I'm confused. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 06:00, 10 March 2007 (PST)

I'm pretty sure Princess Dharma needs to take a chill pill. She makes it seem like I had a personal vendetta against her by making this film. Relax, woman. Also, thanks Ali for coming to my aid, haha. Anyways, I respect your arguments Mr. Crabby, and I appreciate you being tactful. To counter point some things you said, the film was more professionally made than most of the others on here because it had a budget, we held auditions for professional actors, I lost a good chunk of change making it, and I literally spent most of my summer doing it. Most amatuer productions are done over the course of a few days with some friends. I went out and found professionals to help me. Dustin Watchman is the cast member. He plays Scott Jackson on the show, who "died" in Season One, but has since reappeared in season two, and some season three episodes. He helped out by sending me stuff and allowing me to use his likeness. And no, you did not offend me, don't worry. I can take the criticism, like Princess there said, but I do appreciate you being polite about it. As for SkyOne, they ran a series of programs before Season 3 began over in England recapping the show, and about the cultural phenomenon that it has become. The one about the fans showed clips from fan-made films all over the world. It was produced by SkyOne itself, as a way to get people excited about the show coming back from hiatus. --Bamfer23 19:48, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

• First off, Princess Dharma has been banned so you don't have to worry about her. Did SkyOne show the entire film or just a clip of it? If they showed the whole thing then I'll change my vote to "Keep", but if it wasn't the whole thing then I'm sorry, but I'll have to keep my vote as "Delete". If you could get back to me on that, I would be very happy. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:43, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

• • Unfortunately, they did not show the who thing. However, they did show a few clips. --Bamfer23 13:53, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

• Then my vote stands. Congrats on communticating with Dustin Watchman, though. That must have been cool. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:05, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

• Keep The article is able to be a stand alone article. No need to delete it. The information given, however, is little and should be expanded. This seems more like a stub.--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ImmortalAlien (talk • contribs) 03:22, 19 March 2007.

• I'm the creator of the lost fan film Lost: The Other Side. I guess I was not here when our article was deleted. I really don't see why significant fan films like Bamfers and our own can't have pages here. Can someone explain why Losted is more significant than Off The Island or The Other Side? I agree that things like time spent working on it and budget should not be basis for an article. But recognition should. Off The Island and The Other Side both appeared in the Winter 2006 issue of Fan Films Quarterly, a print and online fan film magazine. Ours are the only 2 lost fan films they have covered. Losted was not covered. Please consider that. --42takes 09:58, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
  • They were both very amueter if you don't mind me saying. I see your point with Losted and I nominated it for deletion. We should have a rule that you can't make articles about your own Lost parodies. Vote on Losted if you'd like. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 17:00, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Crabby: Review the above for WP policies relevant to the conflict of interest issues you are discussing; as long as NPOV is maintained, external citations of significance made, and the article copy subject to free editing by all parties, nothing is out of order. Your own opinion, i.e. individual fan/editor opinion, regarding content of article (such as your claim that this video is *"amateur") are not relevant to this discussion. 42takes, I've put Talk:Lost: The Other Side onto deletion review for possible overturning, due to your external reference; additional citations would also be desirable. We do have a somewhat unclear policy regarding fan content, and the existence of the "Youtube" article muddies it somewhat-- What if a video was never submitted on Youtube? Or what about unofficial comic content that we have individual articles on, but no parent articles for the category as we do for youtube videos? Et cetera.-- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 17:22, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
• Delete However, maybe a possible article of links to numerous fan films or other fan media? Maybe an idea. Just a suggestion.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   12:18, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
• Keep for now, due to the significance of reference in Sky One, and participation of Dustin Watchman. However, these and other URLs noting significance (not self-promotional threads) in the fan world should be noted in an "External Links" section of the main article. -- ^C¯ _Santa_ ¯^T 17:06, 19 March 2007 (PDT)