Talk:Ms. Hawking

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  • Where does the name Hawking comes from? It is not explicitly mentioned, does she have a name card or what?
  • The credits I guess --Princess Dharma (banned) 07:21, 18 February 2007 (PST)
  • Didn't she totally remind you The Oracle from The Matrix trilogy? --PandoraX 22:22, 14 February 2007 (PST)
Actually, she reminded me of Mrs. Potts, from Beauty and the Beast.--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 22:23, 14 February 2007 (PST)
Heh, I was just thinking of the one scene where the Oracle sits down on a bench with Neo and explains how the universe works. --PandoraX 22:31, 14 February 2007 (PST)
The whole episode reminded me of The Matrix. It had that feeling all over it. Polleke 08:43, 15 February 2007 (PST)
Reminded me more of Slaughterhouse Five with Desmond as Billy Pilgrim--Tricksterson 08:25, 16 February 2007 (PST)
  • Link to Stephen Hawking? -- C¯ _Santa_ ¯T 20:21, 15 February 2007 (PST)
    • "Is a temporal policeman in place to make sure every person gets to the island that is supposed to."Damon Lindolf from the Lost season 3 DVD extra features. Where would be best to place this fact?CastorPollock 17:30, 10 February 2008 (PST)

The Ouroborous Pin

Does anyone think that there's significance to that fact that the ouroborous in Ms. Hawking's pin isn't eating its tail? This might imply that although there is a "vicious cycle", there is a point that someone might be able to break free, as the circle wouldn't be totally complete. Your thoughts? -PsychoYoshi 19:13, 26 February 2007 (PST)

Its hard to tell. The image of the Ouroborous does not necessarly have to show the eating of the tail. There are depictions that show it chasing the tail but it always means the same thing. I really dont think the term "vicious cycle" is accurate. One way to look at the symbol means is that you can't have the gain of life without paying the price of death. Its a closed system and if you break it on side (death), there are consequences on the other (life).
There is an opposing symbol to an Oroborous. Its a snake hung around a cross. If it ever showed up, it would symbolize "the fixation of the volatile", life in suspension or breaking the cycle represented by the Ouroborous.
The question of "is there any way out?" is one of the basic ones the series is about. From whats been revealed so far, the answer is that if you try the universe will start fighting back to self-correct in two instances: 1) Preserving life (as in keeping Desmond on track to go to the island) and 2) Preserving death (as in that if people are supposed to die, they don't unfairly cheat it). The question left after that is the issue of free will vs. fate and how much flexability there is in the system.
There is also Buddhism involved in all this. Samsara would be close to the Ouroborus and Nirvana would be the result of breaking the cycle. But the things to keep in mind is that Nirvana requires a final death (parinirvana) and would also involve breaking free of all worldly attachments. In other words, if you do break free, you don't get to stay in the world anymore. Dharmatel4 12:31, 7 March 2007 (PST)

The two mentioning of the pin in both the main article and the trivia part is redundant.Ben Ito Ite 13:04, 24 March 2008 (PDT)

observations

There is a couple things about what she said that should be noted:

  • She says "every single one of us is dead". Though there is no way to know what she is, she would seem to be suggesting that she is human or at least shares the fate of all humans.
  • She seems to carefully list out specific events to Desmond that must happen. It seems to be implied that he has a degree of free will as long as he does not disrupt particular events. It also casts a degree of doubt on her other statements about "paths" and the universe course-correction. If things were as she said, it would be expected that his path to the island would have been restored one way or the other by a "course correction". She talks in terms of absolute fate but acts as if he has free will and must be convinced.
  • The only constant seems to be that Death cannot be avoided in the long term by knowledge of future events. Dharmatel4 13:24, 7 March 2007 (PST)

Picture w/ Brother Campbell

It appears that she's wearing the exact same outfit and same hair style as when she meets Desmond a couple of years later. --BiggSteve777 06:12, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

Well, that's probably b/c her photo seems to have been taken from a still from that episode and then poorly Photoshopped in w/ Bro. Campbell in front of the monastery! My word, considering how obsessive we fans are, you'd think they'd have done better with that...I guess they weren't able to get the two actors together easily enough for a photo. But really, at least they could have tried to even out the lighting... Hazel 22:02, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
It very well could have been purposeful, because it was soooo bad I can't see how a prop person would let it fly if it wasn't supposed to look fake. - Next362 10:53, 30 April 2007 (PDT)
i believe it was CLEARLY purposeful. my 13 yr old son does better photoshops than that in his sleep, and my wife actually commented on it during the show, and she never notices crap like that. --Monsto 16:51, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
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