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Clancy Brown
He's good. Hoping he's one of the others or something else that gives him more time on the show. Love his work. --skks 02:35, 14 March 2006 (PST)
Yup, I like him, though I think Joe Inman is evil. We now know that Kelvin is also played by Clancy Brown. So we will be seeing more, hopefully more of Joe too.
I changed the picture back to the orginal, it's more effective and looks better than a compilation of Inmans of different eras. If a hazmat/dharma picture is required, it can be added to the article - it doesn't need to be in the infobox. --skks 04:06, 27 May 2006 (PDT)
Anagrams
JOIN NAME --skks 02:59, 14 March 2006 (PST)
Minor Adjustment
Changed "speaks Iraqi" to correct term "Arabic". Seems like a small detail, but an important piece of foundational knowlege.
Alive
Are we sure he's still alive? If' he's also Kelvin, and Kelvin is "dead," should we not at least put his status at unknown? -absalom
He's definatly alive.
- Um, no. He's Kelvin, and he's dead.--Piscez 06:49, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
It's pretty certain that he's dead. Desmond said something on the lines of "I only had 108 minutes to bury [Kelvin]" on Live Together, Die Alone. --AlienChickenPie 03:11, 23 July 2006 (PDT)
- I thought it was Inman who said he had only 108 minutes to bury Radzinsky? Ruud 17:53, 24 July 2006 (PDT)
- True! Here is the transcript: "INMAN: See that brown stain, there? That's Radzinski. He put a shotgun in his mouth when I was asleep. The bitch of it was, I only had a 108 minutes to bury the poor bastard." There have been plenty of times where people get whacked behind the head in Lost and don't die. So Unknown status should stand for now. HaroO 00:42, 14 September 2006 (PDT)
Section Title Change
I split it up to something simlar to "BEFORE THE CRASH" "AFTER CRASH" but changed the wording because clearly he wasn't on the plane and he also may have been on the island some time before the crash
Spoiler Policy?
What is the LP policy about putting stuff up that spoils future airings? I know that in viewer time, Inman and Michael have never interacted, I've never seen that photo, etc. It makes me sad. Absalom 08:58, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
I'm posted it because I saw it on TV so I know everyone else watching Lost last night was also exposed. My posts are also based on the infomation gather from the trailer from Three Minutes' trailer. I don't think its a real spoiler and once again its based on images and dialouge aired on ABC last night Mmoose 10:15, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
- Ah, cool! I didn't mean for it to sound like a call-out. My TiVo always cuts off the "next week on Lost," so I totally missed it. Guess I'll go download the trailer. Thanks! Absalom 10:36, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
- God speed! Be sure to take precautions aganist soiling yourself. Mmoose 11:48, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
- Ah, cool! I didn't mean for it to sound like a call-out. My TiVo always cuts off the "next week on Lost," so I totally missed it. Guess I'll go download the trailer. Thanks! Absalom 10:36, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
Removed Island section
Sorry kids... injector man isn't Joe Inman (Clancy Brown)... it's Pickett as played by Michael Bowen [1].
- Who the hell is injector man -- Bramme 06:51, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think he's the one who injects Claire. I thought it was Ethan Rom, though, not Pickett. --Chesteadman 11:11, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- a few eps back somone posted a picture of Pickett taking Michael's blood and claimed it was Joe Inman and the picture proved he was an other. I removed that from the article because the guy in the posted picture was Pickett... that's what I was referring to.--Isotope23 12:44, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
DIA
Inman works for DIA (Defence Intelligence Agency, US military intelligence), not CIA. Look at the screen behind him in his first flashback appearance. Ausir 14:18, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
Are we sure...
that the name is "Kelvin" and not "Calvin"? If it were Calvin, it would support the "philosophy" theme by referring to John Calvin -- the Swiss leader of the Reformation who believed in "predestination". More complete description here. --BrianSTL 14:38, 29 November 2005 (PST)
It would also support placing significance to the name Marvin Candle if his name is actually "Calvin."
Anyone noticed that the Pilot of the Oceanic 815 Flight is also named Kelvin?
Just an update on this one: as some of you know, the list of guest characters released in a press release for the season two finale confirms that it is _K_elvin --Jambalaya 09:46, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
The name of the pilot?
Do we know the pilot's name? --Jambalaya 14:45, 9 March 2006 (PST)
I'd like to see a source for naming The Pilot "Kelvin". ABC Press Releases and IMDB all have the character named as only "pilot", played by Greg Grunberg.
Jabberwock talk contribs email - 14:55, 9 March 2006 (PST)
The pilot's name wasn't mentioned in the pilot. Pun intended. --skks 15:26, 14 March 2006 (PST)
I'm pretty sure the name is Kelvin. I had two friends with the names Kelvin and Calvin and there is quite a difference in the pronounciation. --Plkrtn 08:38, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
- Huh, seems to me there's just one vowel sound different. Given Desmond's accent, Calvin was possible. Moot point now though. --Piscez 06:52, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
Kelvin was not the pilot of Flight 815. Different actors. See Claire's flashback in disc 7 of the Season 1 DVD set. --Amberjet11 12:58, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
joe = kelvin?
Is it not fact now that joe and kelvin inman are the same, since they're both played by Clancy Brown? - Ernest 07:14, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
- Not necesarily... they could be twins. There were twins on the boat with Zeke at the end of season link title1. Factor in Marvin Candle/Mark Wickman and the recently released "Bad Twin" novel... it's at least possible that "twins" could be a plot point. Maybe Damon/Carlton watched too much Twin Peaks back in the day.--Isotope23 07:35, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
- word. -Ernest 07:50, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
- i had a feeling i will see that face again...but as U guys say kelvin could be joes twin too...and if thats the case i wonder who was the bad twin :) and even if kelvin is dead, maybe joe isn't and is on the island--Skyshadow 09:25, 12 May 2006 (PDT)
- Also, call me stupid, but where was it confirmed that Kelvin's gonna be played by Clancy Brown and that he is an Inman!?
- The studios releases a blurb about each episode along with a guest star list to TV Guide, Cable/Dish Companies etc a few weeks before the episode airs. Clancy Brown was listed as playing "Kelvin Inman" on this press release. It might have leaked even before that, but I first read it maybe a week or 2 ago on Spoilerfix and I think the official ABC release was their source.--Isotope23 05:40, 16 May 2006 (PDT)
- He says to Desmond he was a spy so he can tell he is being followed.. That makes me think they are the same guy.. It is possible 'Joe' is a nickname, a second name, even a code name hiding his actual identity.. Hudd talkcontrib 21:27, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- I say they're defiently one in the same and these should be merged. 1. Same actor 2. Same last name 3. References to his past in 2x23 make it pretty clear.
- I agree with this. I think it's pretty clear they are intended to be the same person, especially considering the frequent cases of overlap between Flashbacks and Island Time. Absalom 05:50, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- A military family where all sons go through military service is not all that uncommon. I don't think that similar careers prove that they aren't twins or clones. EmperorMing 07:10, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
--Dow lord 07:35, 25 May 2006 (PDT) Maybe Kelvin and Joe are references to Bad Twin?
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I vote merge. On this one, I think they are one in the same. Kelvin makes reference to giving orders in the military and he's distraught that his soldiers listened to him. Joe gave the orders in Iraq and ordered people to torture prisoners. I fully believe that conversation was meant to allow the viewer to connect the two as one character. The fact that they are played by the same actor is also a strong indicator. In a show like this where the producers know the fans are going to scrutinize every minor detail, they wouldn't have the same actor play two different supporting characters (at least not without explanation). Furthermore we've seen the same character take on multiple names on the show before (Marvin Candle/Mark Wickman). Either Joe or Kelvin could be a nickname? Maybe Joe took on the name of Kelvin (someone he tortured?) the same way James Ford took on the name Sawyer? --Elvis 09:30, 25 May 2006 (PDT)I withdraw my previous comment. After thinking it over, I'm convinced that Joe and Kelvin are the same person, but I think they articles should remain separate until it's confirmed on the show or by the producers. Leave it as a theory until confirmed. --Elvis 09:53, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
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- I concure, merge. --Meterman 09:52, May 25 2006 {PST}
- They should definitely be merged. The whole "twin" theory has never been convincing to me and I don't think it'll hold up in the long run. -- kcnovA23 13:55, 25 May 2006 (EDT)
- I think it is pretty likely "Kelvin" Inman is really Joe Inman. That said, as Elvis indicated above it would be better to leave these as separate articles until it is actually proven in the show (or stated by producers in podcast, etc) that they are the same person. Twins isn't likely, but saying the are conclusively the same character is not supported by anything but circumstantial evidence. I imagine at some point it will be explained why Joe felt the need to adopt the "Kelvin" identity.--Isotope23 12:48, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
He said he was a 'spook', which is a euphemism for a CIA agent. What's with these far-fetched theories that Kelvin and Joe are twin brothers, and that they both worked for the CIA? Joffeloff 13:49, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- Merge, maybe. Joe is a term used from WWII to describe Male soldiers, as Jane was for female. hence: G.I. Joe. He could have used "Joe" in that regard. However, this article on Kelvin[2] is interesting. --LuminousSpecter 15:28, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
All the evidence supporting that they are one and the same is speculative. My guess is that this will be made clear at some point in the future, but the two pages should be kept separate for now.--Bernini 15:51, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think it's highly speculative to assume that they're clones or twins who both worked for the CIA. If anything, they should be merged and then you can dispute it. Joffeloff 15:58, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think that they probably are the same person, but I would like to hear it on the show. The Marvin Candle and Mark Wickman page sets a precedent though, so even though I'd normally not support a merge, I think we should follow that precedent with the Inmans.--Mescad 19:32, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- Keep the pages separate, and the theory that they are the same intact, until confirmed by the show. Right now, it's merely speculation that they are more than two characters played by the same person (likely the same person, but not set in stone). LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:37, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I vote merge - why do we expect the show to further confirm that they are the same person? It is doubtful we'll see more of "Joe" in flashbacks (Sayid's contact was limited we assume). Do we except to see another flashback where Kelvin says, "I used to be called Joe"? I think we should assume that the same last names, military backgrounds, and logic of crossing webs of people's backstories defaults to the same person, not twins - until proven otherwise. --Jajasoon 03:57, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
The majority wanted the articles kept separate, but someone merged them anyway. I've put them back as they were. LOSTonthisdarnisland 03:23, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
- It was confirmed in a podcast that they're the same person. Merged again. Ausir 01:03, 27 May 2006 (PDT)
Partner
Did anyone catch the name of his partner in the hatch? I feel stupid for not remembering it.--Kericanfly 20:34, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- It was a Slavic name that started with an "R" (Rovinski? Need to watch this episode again; Kelvin mentions the man's name twice: once when he says R. removed a number of sections from the film, & a second time when he explains how R. blew his brains out with a shotgun in the Swan Complex.) -- Llywrch 21:22, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
- I heard (and I watch with captioning on so also saw) Radzinsky.. but my memory is incredibly terrible so that might be wrong. --Offput
In Polish, it would be Radzynski, but he could also be Russian and have his name spelt differently. Ausir 04:37, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
Just Another Victim?
Did Kelvin get careless with the suit by tearing it and letting Desmond see or was it on purpose? Much longer and he would have taken off without Desmond and gotten away with it.
Since the boat was a wreck and it took 2 years to repair.. he certainly did a good job with whatever he had available.
It doesn't make sense to me that he would screw Desmond around for 2 years if he was working for 'the others' who could have repaired the boat long ago.. and he just lead Desmond there. Its possible he was leading Desmond and pretending he'd been fixing the boat as a way to explain what had been going on for 2 years.. and to possibly talk Desmond round.
Its hard to say if Kelvin was on the level or not.. he could have been innocent (of the others). Personally i like to think of him as the first Desmond.. its jsut hte boat repair story that doesn't sit well with me.
--MRNasher
- I think it would have to be an accident, probably from working in it for over two years. Far more worrying is how Desmond finished the boat that still had weeks of repair left if he didn't leave the hatch for the next year. LOSTonthisdarnisland 03:19, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
Kelvin Joe Inman
This is no theory (provided the official Lost podcast is considered canon) as Carlton Cuse said his name is Kelvin Joe Inman. --Offput 23:25, 26 May 2006 (PDT)
- Be careful about considering the podcast canon. They've been known to deliberately mislead us. For instance, where is that Neil Frogurt guy who was supposed to make a big splash this season? Wasn't Arzt also going to become a major character season 2? But in the case of Kelvin, the explanation given on the podcast makes sense... They didn't want to reveal his true identity that early on, but the character needed a name for TV listings and such, hence 'Joe'. So it's probably safe to say that they are the same. --Uth 09:02, 1 June 2006 (PDT)
DIA, not CIA
When he shows the tape to Sayid, it says "property of the DIA". So, he probably was from DIA (military intelligence), not CIA. Unlike DIA, CIA is a civillian intelligence agency. Ausir 01:02, 27 May 2006 (PDT)
Question moved from main page...
How are we sure that Kelvin and Joe are the same person and not twins? Please let us know. --Kevingetahaircut
- As mentioned above it was stated in the official podcast. The reason the character was first referred to as Joe Inman, was so that we, the viewers, did not make the immediate connection to Kelvin. It would have been too early for us to know that. --Circeus UTCE 20:35, 3 June 2006 (PDT)
Question
I dont have Tivo and didnt tape the episode, but wast there other guys in suits that picked desmond up with Kelvin?
- It looked that way, didn't it? But we're seeing that from Desmond's perspective, and he was in shock and pretty disoriented. It was only Kelvin, but Desmond was too dazed to focus properly. --Shodan1138 10:38, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
I personally originally thought that there were indeed about three different people in yellow suits picking Desmond from the shore, but yes, he could be disoriented. I took the presence of three persons to indicate that Kelvin was working with the Others, but in light of the fact that it was probably only Kelvin, then it is still very possible he does not know the true nature of the Others, whom he calls "hostiles". Now, I have a theory that Kelvin, when joining DHARMA, became an employee but not on the same level as The Others, hence why he refers to them as "hostiles"--their hostility towards him could be a mechanism to keep him in the Station, and he is not aware of their role in DHARMA (alternately, he could be aware of Others on the island, and, vaguely knowing their nature, refers to them as hostiles to further deter Desmond from leaving). It would also explain why he, as a DHARMA employee, still keeps up with "pushing the button" and seems to truly believe in what he is doing (as Mark Wickman of the second orientation film said of the Swan station participants that would be observed via The Pearl)--he is not on as high a level as the Others, and so he knows far less. To me, he is not a scientist as the others, but instead, one of their test subjects. He tries to flee the island, but only after having a replacement secured, further showing his 100% belief in his purpose in "saving the world"--he just wants to get away, he doesnt want the world to end, but he most certainly believes it will if no one is there to push the button, so his attempt to be free does not start till Desmond arrives and can take over for him. Then, perhaps one day he noticed the rip in his protective gear, realizing that it'd been there for awhile, and putting two and two together: either the vaccine was working great, or there wasnt any illness. So he starts shedding the protective clothing after he leaves but, not wanting to arouse the suspicion of Desmond, still wears it around him in order to keep him at bay inside the Station, using "the sickness" to scare him into submission.
Kelvin not being on the "inside" of DHARMA would also explain why he is composing the map on the Station walls. He has found stuff and put together clues accordingly on what he can piece together of the Island, maybe combined with stuff DHARMA already told him.
WHen you combine this with the fact that DHARMA is an acronym pertaining to a science that studies human natures tendency to jump to conclusions and believe whatever solitary information they've been presented with, this theory makes even more sense.
The Key
I also think that the key that Kelvin wears, which he "drunkenly" explains would "stop the whole thing and end it all"--would yes, literally stop it all. The station perhaps is not just dispelling the magnetic buildup that occurs in order to ensure safety, but what if the station itself was what was gathering and harnessing all that energy in the first place? Then perhaps his statement could be meant to taken as, if he turned the key, the experiment would be over, and the Station no longer collecting that magnetic energy that is studied. The Island obviously has either a polarity all its own, or just a veyr powerful electromagnetic forcefield, and DHARMA has learned how to tap into it in order to learn to use it to their advantage. Hence, the studies of Life Extension and other scientific anomalies that can be benefited or explained by this electromagnetic activity (such as the healing that Rose and Locke experience). They could have learned how to harness it into one area for more efficent study or use, and then the "accident" occured which now requires the to dispell the energy after 108 minutes. To me, it makes sense, and the Season Finale of Season 2 was a big one for me in the sense that many of my previous predictions about the nature of the Swan Station and electromagnetic activity were confirmed. Hopefully my sixth sense is still intact!--Longwindedly yours, --Trix.
How did he know Desmond had crashed his boat? If he was inside the hatch he could not have not know. Desmond didn't hear plane crash how did Kelvin hear a boat crash?--Addude 21:32, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
- He might have been outside when it happened. Since we don't know the time that passed between the the wreck and the arrival of Kelvin it is hard to tell.--CaptainInsano
Biohazard Suit
Where do you think Kelvin got the hazard suit from? I find it unlikely that the plan of The Swan would iclude it because they wanted them to work in shifts. What if they found The Pearl and started raising heck?
Its almost certain that DHARMA initiative directors gave Kelvin the suit with the warning that if he went outside without it, he'd get the Sickness. The 108 minute timer is enough to keep one in the Station for an extended period of time, but as further measure to keep subjects contained, more outside threats need/ed to be conjured up. It is possible that Kelvin did not see through this until he realized there was a rip in the suit.
And yes, they did want the two people inside the station to work in shifts, hence the ONE AND ONLY suit--if there were two, that would enable them BOTH to leave the station!!!--Trix
DHARMA Employee?
When I watched the episode, I took his joining the Initiative metaphorically (He watched the video and therefore "joined" the group). Plus, his "Namaste" line sounded like he bitterly took it from the Swan video whereas, if he was a DHARMA employee, you'd think he would quote the more revered figure, Alvar Hanso, and divulge some more info about his reason for making the trip to the island. I think that, until we find out for a fact that Kelvin became an official member, the "joined DHARMA" posting should be under theories. This is just my personal opinion though... --Mighty Rearranger 09:18, 18 August 2006 (PDT)
- I agree, i personally dont think hes DHARMA Initiative, as we cant take his word fro it, until its actually revealed, you may find that he has lied about the whole DHARMA thing, and actually got stranded on the island somehow, and come across the station. Perhaps he found The Others and they got hiom to look after the swan.--Nzoomed 16:35, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
Name
Are we 100% sure he is called Kelvin Joe Inman, just because Carlton and Damon said so on the podcast? Those guys are joking half the time... -- SilvaStorm
Timing
On the main page it says he joined Dharma between 1991 and 2001 but he was still in Iraq in 1997. Can someone clarify where the 1991 date comes from? Oodles 04:07, 28 August 2006 (PDT)
- Where did you get Iraq in 1997 from? The Gulf War was in 1991. --elpaw 04:09, 28 August 2006 (PDT)
- Sorry, mixed up time of Sayid's capture and his time in the Republican Guard.
I still don't think he should be listed as an official DHARMA recruit. Although, the Sri Lanka video did make me question it. Maybe those watching the orientation were/are members of the army in the current war. But unless someone can give some proof that he had signed up to be there for DHARMA and didn't just arrive by accident, I think it should be taken as a theory. --Mighty Rearranger 05:17, 28 August 2006 (PDT)
Isn't there overlap between the accounts?
Desmond claims to have spent at least two years in the Swan with Kelvin before the two of them fought. That seems to point toward Kelvin and Joe being different people; I don't really see Kelvin meeting Sayid either before, during or after his time with Desmond - two years seems too long a time between the last interaction between Joe and Sayid and the fated Flight 815 departure; it is most unlikely that Kelvin would have left the island long enough to meet Sayid without Desmond noticing his absence; and the fight between Kelvin and Desmond is unlikely to have happened soon enough for him to leave the Island, rejoin the DIA or CIA and get involved with Sayid's recruitment (besides, Kelvin claims to have left the Agency already when he meets Desmond for the first time). Luis Dantas 14:13, 26 September 2006 (PDT)
- No, No, No. Okay here is how it goes. Kelvin meets Sayid, then Kelvin discharged from the military and joins DHARMA, then Kelvin meets Desmond. The Gulf War didn't happen in 2000 it happened in 1990. Do you understand?--CaptainInsano 14:24, 26 September 2006 (PDT)
- Plus, it's been confirmed in the official podcast that Kelvin and "joe" are the same person. In fact, the name "joe" was never used on the show, they just came up with an alternate name to give to TV guide to avoid giving away his identity. There's a ton of discussion above about whether they're the same person--Minderbinder 15:14, 26 September 2006 (PDT)
- No, No, No. Okay here is how it goes. Kelvin meets Sayid, then Kelvin discharged from the military and joins DHARMA, then Kelvin meets Desmond. The Gulf War didn't happen in 2000 it happened in 1990. Do you understand?--CaptainInsano 14:24, 26 September 2006 (PDT)
Deceased?
Is Kelvin dead or do we just think he is. I think his status should read 'presumed deceased' or 'unknown', unless someone can tell me when it was confirmed he is dead. Because I'm not convinved, Desmond's no killer brother.--Joe 17:37, 19 November 2006 (PST)
- Desmond didn't do it on purpose, so relax. As far as storytelling goes, when blood is shown from the head after you hear a distinct "crack", it's pretty much over... If he miraculously recovered, why didn't he go back to the Swan? He's dead, get over it :-) --EvilSmoke 17:52, 19 November 2006 (PST)
- I just don't think we should presume anything on Lost, he didn't check his pulse or anything. I mean if it's in the theories that he might not be dead it shouldn't be so cut and dry here. It really should be changed to 'presumed dead', because if he's not it'll need a swift change then.--03:00, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- Where did his body go if hes dead? Ana Lucia and co passed the same area that Kelvin died when they were travelling across the island. lewisg 03:41, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- I think it should remain deceased - he took a heavy wack to the wall. Also, how could the writers have "confirmed" that he was dead. Showing his lifeless body is enough isn't it? You could say the same about any death on the show. Its a good theory, but I think his category should remain as is --Nickb123 (Talk) 05:10, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- A lot has been confirmed on podcasts and other media like the fuselge, but nothing I know of for this guy. Desmond ran off straight away. A bump to the head does not always kill, and I for one don't think he is dead. And no he wasn't lifeless, unconcious maybe. I just don't think on a website like this we should jump to conclusions. If so we could say we saw Michael sailing off, he was told he was going home, therefore it is safe to assume he is home now and we should put that on his page. But you can't assume damnit!--Joe 11:40, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- For the record, I think Ben did tell Michael and Walt right, and they are now rescued :-) --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:54, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- For the record Ben said he'd send Jack home, and when Jack asked if that was where he sent Michael and Walt, Ben said yes. No need to be such arrogant about it. I'm just stating a point that I don't think this guy is dead, he was probably knocked unconcious, we haven't seen a body or anything. Assumptions are stupid and its a mistake making them. --Joe 14:22, 21 November 2006 (PST)
- For the record, I think Ben did tell Michael and Walt right, and they are now rescued :-) --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:54, 20 November 2006 (PST)
- I'm just saying that we have a pretty good idea that Michael and Walt won't be back anytime soon at all on the show, and supposedly Ben is "a man of his word", and so I think he probably let them leave. I know he lies all the time but this time I think he seemed deadly serious. Wasn't trying to be cocky (which I'm sure everyone who knows me here would agree with as I don't do that). Cause we'd just disagreed on Kelvin, I thought it quite funny that your next theory I also didn't support, and was just making a joke --Nickb123 (Talk) 14:43, 21 November 2006 (PST)
- If you really think he's alive, what do you think of "turbine man", we never saw his body either. Or Joanna, the girl that drowned while swimming? Or even Jack's father, where's his body anyway, is he alive? All those characters are deceased until proven otherwise. --EvilSmoke 17:39, 21 November 2006 (PST)
- Yeah, he's dead. Got a confirmation from Gregg Nations. [3] --Marik7772003 18:53, 22 December 2006 (PST)
- That's not confirmation. "Appears to be dead" certainly contrasts with Gregg Nation saying that Radzinsky IS dead. Note the different wording, Nations did not actually flat out say that Kelvin is dead. We all thought Charlie was dead after being hanged, but we turned out wrong there, didn't we?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doom85 (talk • contribs) .
- Listen to the part where 'Jacob' says to Locke, "Help me." Now listen again. It is the voice of Kelvin. - User: ithoughtyouwereincanada 23:59, 7 January 2008 (EST)
- Yeah, he's dead. Got a confirmation from Gregg Nations. [3] --Marik7772003 18:53, 22 December 2006 (PST)
Sayid money?
He later gave Sayid money to leave Iraq for good but Sayid did not leave and continued to torture others for the Republican Guard. - Huh? IIRC Inman gave Sayid cash for "fare back to Baghdad". (One_of_Them) That would be in Iraq. - GoodRom 11:51, 14 December 2006 (PST)
- You are correct, according to Inman's own wording from the transcript of "One of Them". This sentence is now rewritten.-- 12:36, 14 December 2006 (PST)
Anagram!
KELVIN JOE INMAN
"MAN IN 'N' EVIL JOKE"
discuss...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Natalie (talk • contribs) .
Kelvin an Other?
I had a thought about Kelvin last night - is it possible he is also an Other living / working in a station? Perhaps there are similarities between Mikhail and Kelvin...when we first encounter Mikhail he is manning a station on his own, in a Dharma uniform, and also claims to be "the last surviving member of The Dharma Initiative". Kelvin also claims to have joined Dharma, and if true, he is in fact the last surviving member. Just a thought, didn't want to risk putting it up in the theories section. Any thoughts on this?! Weapon 08:57, 1 May 2007 (PDT)weaponWeapon 08:57, 1 May 2007 (PDT)
I am actually in complete agreement with you, Weapon. There are so many pieces of evidence supporting this that it cannot be overlooked. These are taken from the "theories" page.
- The fact that the DHARMA Initiative ended in the late '80s and he was in the Gulf War, which ended in 1991 would theoretically eliminate the possibility of him being part of the Initiative.
- Perhaps Kelvin was banished to the Swan to continue protocol, much like Bonnie and Greta were banished to the Looking Glass and Mikhail to the Flame.
- Perhaps he was sent there to make sure the electromagnetic force would not build up much like Mikhail was sent to the Flame to control outside communications.
- If Kelvin was simply working for DHARMA, he wouldn't have known that Desmond's boat had crashed on the island. It's unrealistic to think that Kelvin just happened to explore the beach at precisely the right moment to find Desmond still unconscious. As an Other, Kelvin may have had access to the island's surveillance system and potentially other resources, which he kept hidden from Desmond.
- Like Juliet, Kelvin was not a "fully indoctrinated" member of The Others, hence he kept the boat secret from the rest of them in hopes that he could use it to escape from the island.
- Kelvin taught Desmond about the fail-safe, which ultimately led to the destruction of the hatch. This long con parallels (and even coincides perfectly with) Ben conning Locke into thinking that the hatch was fake in order to trick Locke into letting the hatch destroy itself.
- Kelvin used the same term ("hostiles") to refer to his own group as Mikhail did when speaking with Sayid and Kate.
- Based on the details in the blast door map, Kelvin (or Radzinsky) knew an awful lot of information that couldn't have been gleaned from merely exploring parts of the island near the hatch.
I would expect him to be an Other-centric flashback. --SeriesOfDreams
12:14, 18 June 2007 (PDT)
I agree as well. Why would the Others leave a crucial station like the Saw in the hands of Dharma survivors? I think that Kelvin was an Other, and that there were other Others in the Swan. When Desmond washed up on shore, they pulled out of the Swan, invented the quarentine to keep Desmond in the Hatch. They also removed the portion of the film that refers to the Swan computer's ability to contact the outside world so that Desmond would not be tempted to try. They then left Kelvin there to keep an eye on him, and he would leave Desmond alone, not to fix the boat necessarily, but to keep Desmond from leaving and possibly communicating with a Witmore. This could be why the blast door mentions "Travel time incompatable with 108"'... Desmond would not be able to reach another station in 108 minutes. This way, Kelvin could keep Desmond busy and not able to communicate with the outside world. When Kelvin was "killed", Ben came across the Island to see what happed to Kelvin, which is how he got caught in Rousseau's net. I know a lot of this only loosely deals with Kelvin, but I think it helps fill in that Kelvin behaves more like an Other than like Dharma. --Bauerman24 22:15, 15 May 2008 (PDT)
The producers have already stated that the Others didn't know that it existed. So therefore how could Kelvin have been an Other? For further details go to the Swan page, and look under paragraph "The Other". --The Cartographer 23:25, 15 May 2008 (PDT)
How did he survive the purge?
(one of the "unanswered questions" of the article) Daaa, he wasn't even on the island when (THE) purge occurred! We know he was still in Iraq in 91 and that the (3x20) purge happened in 88 or earlier (before 16 year old Alex was taken or at about the same time).
The real question is - why didn't the others do anything about him? the obviously knew he was there, as they controlled the pearl station (I reckon, and even if they didn't I guess Michail's station could monitor him too). Ahmes 07:08, 11 May 2007 (PDT)
Even if he was on the island when the purge occured, he was in the hatch alot of the time and when he wasn't in the hatch he was wearing a HAZMAT suit. I know he takes it off, but he's like... on the other side of the island when the purge happened, so assuming the poisonous gas-scenario was the only actual purging of the purge, Kelvin would have been fairly safe on the other side of the island. Beeth 13:20, 22 September 2007 (PDT)
- I think the answer is obvious. Kelvin was never a member of the Dharma Initiative.
My reasons for thinking this:
1. Kelvin was clearly being sarcastic when he mentioned he was a part of the Dharma Initiative. He was no more a part of Dharma than Desmond was. They were unlucky enough to get pressed into continuing Dharma's work. Radzinsky tricked Kelvin into pressing the button Kelvin tricked Desmond into pressing the button and Desmond tricked Locke into pressing the button. That's how it went for decades. Radzinsky probably wasn't Dharma either. Just another in a long line of people being tricked into pressing the button.
2. Kelvin was in Iraq in 1991. Alex was born in 1988. The purge occurred before Ben began raising Alex. Thus the purge was before 1988 and before Kelvin got to the island.
3. Kelvin was with the CIA. Dharma was founded by a bunch of hippies and free thinkers. Dharma would NOT want Kelvin in their ranks.
Music during blast door painting?
Does anyone know the title of the song that is playing on the phono when Kelvin paints the blast door in the season 2 finale? --Frenkmelk 06:22, 27 June 2007 (PDT)
KELVIN = JACOB
In "Live Together, Die Alone" (finale of Season 2) we hear Kelvin Joe Inman speak a lot. He sounds exactly as Jacob does when he says "Help me" in Season 3. --4815162342108 13:48, 14 January 2008 (PST)
Solved unanswered question
There is a UQ that states "IF he arrived on the island before the purge whyt= was he spared?". This is quote is from the Swan station page:
"In the March 20, 2007 Official Lost Podcast, Carlton Cuse confirmed that The Others had no knowledge of the Swan station. Hence, Radzinsky, Kelvin Joe Inman, and/or Desmond were not killed during the Purge in which the Others killed off all the DHARMA Initiative workers. During Ben's period of captivity at the Swan, there was a "lockdown" event in which the blast doors inside the swan lowered. Locke was pinned under the blast door and sent Ben through the vent system to push the button. At first, Ben claimed to have pushed the button. But later he told Locke that he had not pushed the button and nothing had happened. He said the station was a joke. What exactly Ben did or did not do during the lockdown has not been revealed. During or shortly after the lockdown, supplies were dropped by parachute to the Swan".
I think that the UQ in question should be removed for the shear reason that the Others didn't know the Swan Station existed. So therefore how could they have attacked it and/or killed its inhabitants. --The Cartographer 11:01, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
Inman Trivia
Should the fact that the main character of Cold Mountain shares the same first name as Inman's surname? I know there are lots of references to famous novels in Lost... so thought it might be worth a mention. Miles Blues 15:14, 20 March 2008 (PDT)
Joseph?
Who has said that Kelvin's name is Kelvin Joseph Inman? I thought that it is just Kelvin Joe Inman. --Hanso 06:35, 5 April 2008 (PDT)
Rename
- RENAME. To Kelvin Inman. Referencing the discussion on renaming Ben's page, see Talk:Ben. Yes, Kelvin Joe Inman may be his full name, but it is not the name by which he is known and called in the show (which is just Kelvin Inman). This is the same argument that holds true and discards alternatives like: Benjamin Linus, Katherine Austen, Jonathan Locke, Alexandra. All other pages INFOBOX TITLE match up with the character's article name, and it should be no different with this one.--Overworkedirish 09:10, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
- Agree We shouldn't use middle names. --James W. 17:40, 27 April 2008 (PDT)
- I'll just add quickly that in the podcast referenced in Kelvin's "trivia" section, the writers admit to using the name "Joe Inman" so as not to spoil anything for fans who knew of the name "Kelvin." They then state - somewhat haphazardly - that therefore Joe must be his middle name. As James implies, irrelevant middle names have no place in article titles.--Overworkedirish 18:28, 27 April 2008 (PDT)
- Rename: I'll follow this: though the article proper should state the full name as we know it, and the rearrange thing should be covered in the trivia section, etc. --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:57, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
- Rename -- Sam T C 19:44, 19 May 2008 (PDT)
- Rename --James W. 18:21, 21 May 2008 (PDT)
- Rename -- WanderingMathematician talk contribs email 18:36, 21 May 2008 (PDT)
The Purge
In the dream Locke has, Horace Goodspeed says he's been dead 12 years. Since he was killed in the Purge, that would date the Purge as December 19, 1992. If the purge effectively ended Dharma, doesn't that mean Kelvin was recruited sometime after the end of the First Gulf War and late 1992? That's a pretty narrow window, but it explains how isolated he and Radizinsky may have been after being cut off from the outside world. And it would explain the "Quartine" sign on the hatch doors.--Dawgmatic 10:01, 15 May 2008 (PDT)
Unanswered Questions
I removed "Is Older man lying next to Michel in Hospital after the car crash Kelvin?" from the Unanswered Questions, because it is not an unanswered question, it's a theory (a piss-poor theory might I add) and was a grammatic disaster. --Gahlstaph 22:27, 16 June 2008 (PDT)

