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Juliet's Double-cross

There's a theory that Juliet (and/or Jack) are double-crossing the losties on the grounds that it would be suspicious for her to be marking the pregnant womens' tents in time for a raid that's a day earlier than planned. I don't see why that would be the case, though. Presuming the marking mechanism is inconspicuous and at least a little robust (you'd hope) I don't see anything wrong with the idea that Juliet would have 3 tents marked ahead of schedule. I'd be marking them as I identified them. --Bastion 08:55, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

I posted that theory. Just to preface this, I don't mean this post to be argumentative or hostile towards you in any way. I've had several things taken off the theories page (usually justified in my opinion, btw), so I just want to explain why I think this is a valid theory. Why would you presume that the marking is inconspicuous? The plan was for them to come at night, so it seems likely that Juliet would mark the tents after everyone was asleep. I suppose that it's possible that she was going to mark the tents with some type of invisible chemical that would the hostiles would use NVG or something similar to view. I believe it's more likely that the markings would be more conspicuous (again, my opinion) and it makes no sense to jeopardize the mission by marking the tents early. Either way, based on the requirements for the theory page, this is a valid theory. You may disagree with it, but I think there is enough evidence to support it. --Drevil877 12:50, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

No problem. I consciously didn't remove it, choosing instead to kind of bring it up for discussion here. I'd expect the markings- whatever they are - to be inconspicuous because the plan is very prone to failure otherwise. If they're conspicuous and done early, people may notice the change to their "home." Even if they don't really notice that something is changed, something obvious done ahead of time has a good chance of being disrupted. So as you say, Juliet would end up having to wait until the last minute. The problem on that side is that with a completely unknown gap between when people finally get to sleep and when the Others arrive, she potentially has to rush and possibly gets sloppy (and caught). I believe it was said that she was going to mark the tents somehow with rocks. It could be a soft rock used to make marks, or it could be a distinctive but discreet arrangement of stones. I'd also note (IIRC) that the response at the Others' camp after Ben decided to move early was to the effect that Juliet might not be finished, not that she wouldn't have started. --Bastion 12:52, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

Non-theories removed from theory page

• It should be noted, however, that by definition, "to drown" means resulting in death. There would have to either be a change in Desmond's flashes or a lie somewhere in how he's relating what he's seen for what you're describing to make sense. (response to another theory)
• Yes, or Desmond could simply be mistaken. His flashes are visual- not necessarily containing any intrinsic knowledge of the future. In other words, he may have seen what looked like charlie drowning, but his vision was incomplete and he is able to rescue him. (response to another theory--no concretely worded theory included)
• This seems unlikely. Though one of them is blond, she looks much younger than Ben. In flashbacks, Annie appeared to be about the same age as Ben. (response to another theory)
• The title of the next episode adds to this suggestion: "Through the Looking Glass." (doesn't seem relevant--perhaps previously mislocated)
• The Looking Glass is the "real" gateway back and forth in time. The door you see behind the two girls, one beleived to be Annie, opens to another area which has a circular looking door, visible for a brief moment. That door is the door to a worm-hole into the future, that is, if the wormhole is still open after they blew up the hatch. (no evidence cited)
• After Ben helped to wipe out the Dharma Initiative, he and the "Hostiles" co-opted the Initiative, pretending to continue doing their work and making it look like the project was still running, but instead used the funds for their own purposes. If the stations were part of the Initiative, they would have to keep receiving personnel to man the stations to carry on the ruse. (not relevant to topic)
• This is all very unlikely. Ben is jamming all transmissions from the island using The Looking Glass. The people on the inside must be working for Ben. While it might be possible to maintain the ruse that everything is normal on the island for a short time, it's been years since the purge. It isn't conceivable that the people in The Looking Glass are that clueless. (response to another theory)
• The introduction of time travel being plausible through the Looking Glass Station gives weight to the theory that Ben is trying to find a cure for what is killing the pregnant women late in their second trimester in order to travel back through time and cure his mother. This is supported by seeing his mother on the island in "The Man Behind the Curtain" and his insistence that Juliet continue her work till her job is done in "One of Us". (largely refuted--see below--speculative)
• Ben's mother did not die on the island; and the 7th month is considered being part of the third trimester, not the second. (response of refutation)
• When Mikhail came running into the camp to tell Ben that there was a woman that parachuted onto the island, Ben seemed genuinely surprised. (response to another theory)
• That would be extremely selfish. Rose doesn't seem like the type who would sacrifice everyone's chance at rescue just because she doesn't want to leave. Just because rescuers come doesn't mean she has to go with them. (response to another theory)
• Locke already tried to be selfish. (response to another theory)
• Damon and Carlton stated in a podcast that Bernard and Rose have an "awesome storyline" coming up next season. (response to another theory)
• Damon and Carlton have also stated that there is more to Libby's story. Just because a character dies does not mean there is not more to learn about them. (response to another theory)
• The first three times Desmond had premonitions of Charlie's death (lightning, drowning, crushed against rocks), they occured before he told Charlie about his ability. The next one (arrow through the throat) we the viewers were able to see Desmond's flashes happen in real time throughout the episode. This fifth one (drowning) happens in real time as well during Greatest Hits, but we do not see what Desmond sees. Is this significant in the fact that what Desmond sees is not what actually is going to happen? Or is he simply lying or misleading Charlie with the details? (posed as a question)
• It's pretty obvious the round door behind the girl in the back leads to the circular corridor that surrounds the Looking Glass Hatch, based on the architectural drawings Sayid is examining earlier in the episode. You can clearly see the small round tunnel leading to the large corridor. (response to another theory)
• This could be an extension of the Ben/Walt theory that Ben can manifest things on the island. He could be manifesting what killed is mother on the island in order to study and cure it, then use Looking Glass Station to go back and cure his mother. (speculative--not posed in correct language)