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Guest starring are Kiele Sanchez as Nikki, Rodrigo Santoro as Paulo, Ian Somerhalder as Boone, Justin Chatwin as Eddie, Chris Mulkey as Mike, Virginia Morris as Jan, Joel Himelhoch as sheriff and Dion Donahue as Kim.

“Further Instructions” was written by Carlton Cuse & Elizabeth Sarnoff and directed by Stephen Williams.

Coyote

When Locke is hallucinating, a brief image of a coyote is shown right before he bests out of the tent. Not sure what to make of it, other than the fact that he was hallucinating...

It's a polar bear, not a Coyote. I thought it was a wolf at first too, but after slow-mo and pause it's the polar bear for sure. -- Jabberwock talk contribs email - 00:12, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Boone

Are there any Canadian viewers who saw their country-specific parts of the promo? I was wondering if there was any diologue when Boone was shown. By the way, he looked quite zombie-like and kinda creepy...--Mighty Rearranger 16:30, 12 October 2006 (PDT)

Boone did not have any dialogue in the CTV Toronto preview after "The Glass Ballerina", however Locke seemed to be trying to tell Charlie that he could not talk, because he had to speak to the Island. Nick2010 15:06, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

CTV broadcast at 8pm ET - Further Instructions

For those of you who have CTV, you can watch the episode one hour earlier. (It is availible in HD and DD 5.1) This means that we can make the article editable at 8pm ET. Nick2010 15:09, 14 October 2006 (PDT)

press release link is broken?

Seems like a 404 not found to me.--Jimbo Wales 09:41, 15 October 2006 (PDT)

Looks like the wrong link. [[2]] is the right one, if someone with admin priveleges wants to fix it. --Minderbinder 12:02, 15 October 2006 (PDT)

Synopsis

Let's try to keep the synopsis short and sweet this time. It's a summary, not a re-telling. Ohmyn0 16:27, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Shouldn't be too hard...this episode answered next to nothing =/ Loki 19:06, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Nikki and Paolo?

Apparently I missed something. Didn't the press summary state Claire is shocked at finding Nikki and Paolo in Jack's tent? When did that happen? I guess I'll have to watch the online replay tomorrow... [Edit] Sorry, didn't sign. Joelvanatta 19:46, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

I removed it from the article, as it didn't happen. That may have been a possible storyline, but apparently they scrapped it and Nikki and Paolo are fellow Mid-Section Survivors. Pkal 19:28, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Hatch condition

Someone posted in theories about sending Charlie to get bandages from "the kitchen" - the kitchen, I think is the wooden shelving Rose was organizing when she had a spat with Bernard in Season 2. The hatch appears to be totally gone (but I'm hoping there's an excavation into the cemented room anyway.......) --Brother 19:55, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

I agree, I thought the kitchen was the one Rose set up, or possibly from Sawyers supplies. Pkal 20:02, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

I wouldn't mind seeing a screen shot of the Hatch Crater...Seems that that would be worth having on the Swan page.--ASEO 10:56, 19 October 2006 (PDT) --> I took one and posted it here [3] - feel free to use it in the article // davidr

I also thought he was referring to the makeshift kitchen on the beach.

Too Many Pictures?

Could we cut down the pictures we have posted to just a few relevant pictures? Or put them on their own page? --Ohmyn0 20:00, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Sorry about all the photos, I thought it would be better to have too many rather than too few. If we decide there are too many, why not just cut them. There were just a lot of good shots that I wanted to have. --Turniphead Danny 20:08, 18 October 2006 (PDT) Also, it seems that it was good I did all of them. They are not just being used for this page, but for all the other ones too. (not to be boastful, just really like my SCREENCAPS!) --Turniphead Danny 20:22, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

I understand - and good work with capturing them - however, they make this page look cloged and overstuffed. --Ohmyn0 20:27, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Thanks, yeah, i think the ones that are not this episode centric, more close-ups of characters could be removed after people get their worth of them. --Turniphead Danny 20:29, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

I LIKE 'em!!! --Tigerlily 22:10, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Hey, did anyone catch a shot of the three flight attendents? I think that they may have been identical; but i'm probably wrong. Worth a look, though, i think.--NotARedHerring 23:59, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

I thought the same thing. Got a screen shot Turniphead Danny? --ASEO 06:05, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

What happened to the gallery? And, here is that image --Turniphead Danny 08:52, 19 October 2006 (PDT):

Oh... I guess they're not so identical after all, are they? They sure do have nice faces though!--NotARedHerring 10:18, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Anyone have a copy of Ben scanning, Jack, Kate and Sawyer as the security guard? I sure could use a copy for something. Where'd the gallery go? --Squashua 13:30, 9 November 2006 (PST)

Music

I'm a geek. Were there any tunes to add to the Songs list? I duno if six episodes are going to carry enough songs for a second volume. Might have to wait til May... dang... --Brother 20:31, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

There was the song playing out of John's truck radio in the first flashback, but I've got no results on that song. Anyone else have any luck? --Aero *Zeppelin 20:37, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

It sounded like it may be called "Woke Up This Morning", but there are many songs in the blues genre with that name. I'll do some searchin' today. --Mighty Rearranger 03:41, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Alright, I'm fairly confident that the song is Feel Like Blowin' My Horn by Roosevelt Sykes. If anyone finds a closer match, feel free to fix the Music article.--Mighty Rearranger 16:13, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

Creepy episode details

Anyone else intrigued by the Tonka truck? That near the bodies was the part that made me sit up. Eerie. --Brother 20:52, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

The truck could be from the crash, or it could elude to the fact that at one time there were, or still are, children on the island beyond the crash survivors.--ASEO 06:07, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Does anyone else think this cave might have been an entrance to The Flame? Might explain the truck. --fatcat fan 06:32, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

I'm thinking the polar bears escaped and ate everyone including children and people from the Pearl station. Can't wait for that flashback :-/ --Piscez 07:28, 19 October 2006 (PDT)
- Good point. If the polar bear dragged Eko there then it's probably what he's using for his den, and where he would drag his other kills also.

- Weren't there (according to the Orientation Video) supposed to be only 2 people occupying the Pearl at any one time? I somehow doubt that children would be given the task of watching Swan experimenters and taking notes. Where'd all this about the skeletons being children come from anyways? Is it completely based on the truck? --Doc 13:21, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

In locke's vision where he is pointin to the people askin what one is in danger, when he points at Charlie, Clair and Aaron he replies"no not them theyre fine...For now"--Dr Giggles

Locke's Theme

Locke has a reoccurring theme of getting betrayed by someone he puts trust into, and having that betrayal hurt others that he is emotionally attached to. His dad and Helen; Eddie and his commune family. This betrayal theme even links to his mother who set him up with his dad for money.--ASEO 06:12, 19 October 2006 (PDT)
- ...Ben and, er, nearly everyone... I agree. --Tapin 13:49, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Boone accepted Locke's apology?

In the episode recap it says that Boone accepted Locke's apology. It seemed like a pretty insincere apology to me. --Myk 11:07, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

The apology was sincere as it could have come from a mute Locke. The acceptance was what seemed slightly strange to me... however, I attributed it to Boone's "spiritual" status... maybe that's just how someone who's seen "the other side" would look back at their death. Like it wasn't a big deal after all. -- Dreamy Perfection 19:11, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

If it was Boone at all. I interpreted it as simply a manifestation of Locke's guilt. Locke of course sees himself as responsible for the death of Boone. Furthermore, every ounce of importance/meaning Locke has put in the existance of the Swan and also the pushing of the button, has to do with him trying to cope with this guilt. It would seem obvious to the island/monster, that this shape was the most suitable one, when trying to get a point across to Locke... To remain on topic: No, Boone didn't accept Locke's apology, since Boone is dead and cannot accept apologies. --Noseman 2006 19:50, 25 October 2006 (CET)

Desmond's Facial Hair

Removed the following from the Theories section:

***Desmond's facial hair has grown considerably between when we last see him turning the fail-safe key 
at the end of season two and now, whereas Eko, Locke, and Charlie's facial hair has not.

As shown by the following screen caps, this is not true. --Doc 12:10, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Well, you have to admit, his hair and facial hair is a lot frizzier. As if somehow he had been exposed to electricity...!--NotARedHerring 13:50, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Charlie was the one with the hair difference to me... as if he got it cut... mullet-style. -- Dreamy Perfection 19:12, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

The Vision Examined

The things that occur in the vision were very interesting... I wonder if we can take anything from how the characters were portrayed within the vision. I guess this depends what was the source of the things Locke sees: A vision purely with in his own mind OR a vision influenced by the island.

Its notable that Desmond and Hurley are given Jobs with the airline in Locke's dream while the rest are still passengers. This is not an uncommon feature of dreaming (the fulfillment of roles by people who are known to us but completely out of context.) and possibly would apply to the subconscious while under hallucinogenic visions.

Most notable to me was that Hurley was a check in clerk and was still in charge/connected to the numbers. Is this an indication about who Hurley is that he is more than he seems.

- Agreed, if you look over the personnel in the vision, there may be a lot of explanation as to how the Others are structured. What is particularly interesting is that Ben is just a security guard at the airport in the dream. --11:12, 3 November 2006 (PST)

While Desmond (as an outsider to the losties) becomes a pilot that Boone says "he's helping himself." Does this signify control, that Desmond has an agenda or that he is just not one of them.

Two very telling observations, or just fluff?

Another aspect is that Locke sees Kate and Sawyer together and Jack is alone (but being examined by Ben) and that Sayid is looking after Jin and Sun who are arguing over something.

This mirrors real goings on that he can know nothing about... a trait he might be sharing with his fellow Hatch survivor Desmond with his definite recollection of an event that has yet to happen.

Locke's wheel chair returns and he can't walk in his vision.

Mr. Eko does not appear in the vision and is not mentioned by name. His bloodied stick is shown as a metaphor for him.

--MRNasher

Walt and the Tonka truck

Can anyone give a source for Walt playing with a Tonka truck? If not, it should probably be removed from the theory section as it is offered as evidence, not as a theory.--Imagex8 10:09, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

danielle`s map crater and "the incident"

.....maybe the crater we saw in the danielle maps, was another implosion of a previous dharma station, and maybe it was "the incident"...

- there is only one swan station and it was the electromagnet one. No other station, even with a self-destruct, would implode.

anybody speak korean?

it might be nice to get a translation of what sun is saying in locke's vision? i doubt it's important but it would be a nice addition to the trivia section of the article. --k a i n i. 19:34, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

My friend speaks Korean and watched with me this Wednesday. Sun says, "What is this? Why are you giving me this bag?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rburton (talk • contribs) 13:49, 21 October 2006.

thanks! --k a i n i. 09:37, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Theories Discussion

So that we don't have to start a new bullet every time that we need to discuss the theories.

I don't think that this: "*This is doubtful, since Locke doesn't recognize her on the Island." is good evidence for Lizzy not being Libby. It was at least four years ago, he never mentions Lizzy again, and Hurley is only slightly less likely to recognize Libby. I removed this "evidence" earlier, but it's back so i decided to ask about it.--NotARedHerring 23:00, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

I think it is. Hurley wasn't the most reliable source at that point, and Libby obviously wasn't being social then either. It's possible the two never spoke and he never knew her name, plus he DOES make a couple comments about her seeming familiar. Locke knew Lizzy enough that Eddie thought she was flirting with him, so he'd likely have known her well enough to recognize her. Also, while people have multiple nicknames, Lizzy/Libby doesn't seem that likely. If anything, I'd say delete both lines. --Minderbinder 06:32, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Actually, as far as the nicknames go, we know that either her full name was Elizabeth, or at one point she went by Elizabeth. If she went by that in the commune, Lizzy is a perfectly normal nickname. I disagree that both lines should be removed; the first, though it is unlikely, is entirely possible. We've been told that Libby will be explored through the flashbacks of others. But the second line should, at the very least, be rephrased. if it hasn't been already.--NotARedHerring 10:13, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

More Discussions cut from theories:

The EM field keeps the island in a state of slow-time, where days pass at a slower rate. When the implosion occurs, time rushes forward to catch up to real time, which could also possibly explain the purple sky (if the island were to be thrust into real time, all of the days and nights blurring together might cause a blue or purple sky). By inoculating himself with the vaccine, Desmond is rendered immune to this effect, and can therefore move around at a much quicker pace than normal, allowing him to perform various activities while everyone else experiences the island time sped up.
- Unlikely, because if the island is in slow-time then how could Ben show Jack the tape of the Red Sox winning? They wouldn't even know that it happened if the island is on slow-time.
  - It would be possible since we don't know how much slow time would have passed on the island vs. how much time has passed in the real world. i.e. It could have been 60 some odd days since the plane crashed on the island, but the present day (2006) in the real world. In that case, the Others would have the potential to access the World Series Win by the Red Sox and Desmond would have a full two years to "time jump."
- Additionally, Aaron was also inoculated, but there is no evidence of him being affected differently by the discharge.
  - Aaron is a baby, and unable to communicate. He could have experienced the time jump, but is just unable to communicate to anyone about it. Further, as a newborn, his perception of the time jump may not even be comprehensible to him. It does not preclude the idea that he experienced such a jump.
- The jump may have been caused, not by the inocculation, but because of Desmond's proximity to the Fail_Safe.

whoa....

That was alot of weed! hahahaha. Cheech and Chong could be set for months in that greenhouse. 08:52, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

A couple months ha. They would be out in a week.--Captain Insano 09:23, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Broken External Links

FYI, I was trying the 2 external links included in the article, and found both to be broken.

Thanks--Nomad 09:46, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

an outtakes page? we don't have one...

simply because this wonderful portrait of charlie deserves a place somewhere on lostpedia :P - it would tie in nicely with bloopers and continuity errors, too --k a i n i. 18:36, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Is Desmond in Hurley's mind?

Is it just me, or could Desmond be in Hurley's mind? No one acknowledges him but Hurley. --maxhawkins

I assume you are just talking about after the implosion (since he's obviously acknowledged by others before that)? I'll have to check it again, I can't remember if others do or not. --Minderbinder 06:18, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

And Locke sees Desmond running by when he first wakes up but can't yell to get his attention. -- User:Ally47tr 10:53, 23 October 2006 (PDT)

The press release for next week's episode tends to disagree: "Meanwhile, Desmond’s behavior begins to perplex the survivors when he starts construction on an unknown device." --Brother 10:34, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

Speaking of Hurley, what did he mean by saying "deja vu" when seeing Desmond chuck rocks into the ocean? What was so familiar about that? --Noseman 2006 19:54, 25 October 2006 (CET)

I don't think that was about the rocks. I think Hurley said that because Desmond had mentioned Locke's speech to Hurley before Locke had given a speech, and it creeped Hurley out a little. -Beardog4314 11:14, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

What does Eddie say to Locke?

I'm not a native speaker. When Locke goes "hunting" with Eddie, he ask him why they chose him. Eddie replies "Because you hadn't been here long, didn't have a criminal record and the psyche profile said you would be a ...". I can't make out what he says after that, even though Locke repeats it. I'd be very thankful if anyone could help me with this. (I'm not too good at using Wikis yet, feel free to move and/or edit my question) --Davidr 11:11, 23 October 2006 (PDT)

EDDIE: "Because you hadn't been here long, didn't have a criminal record, and psyche profiles said you would be amenable for coercion." I got this from the transcript. There's one for every episode, the link is in the main episode box for each. --Minderbinder 11:30, 23 October 2006 (PDT)

No one has seemed to mention this

No one has seemed to mention this so I will throw it out into the ether. In Locke's vision, Hurley is seen putting the Numbers in a computer. More importantly though, Hurley is wearing the airport uniform and from a distance looks like he is scheduling passengers. This could mean a couple things:

Locke knows or feels that Hurley is a cause of them crashing, whether directly or indirectly.
- We all know Hurley and the numbers are intimately bound together somehow. This might just be the writer's way of telling us that Hurley is much more than the fat, funny dude he comes out as most of the time... --Noseman 2006 19:34, 26 October (CET)
Ben is with security, checking people in. Maybe Locke sees Ben doing "damage control."
- Or maybe Locke sees Ben as a representative for the authority that has (taken) the right to imprison three of his friends. Security? Uniformity? Fascism? It's still an open question... --Noseman 2006 19:49, 26 October (CET)
Desmond is seen as a pilot and... I got nothing. :(
- Desmond as the pilot could refer to his famous quote: "I think I crashed your plane", signalling his responibility for that event taking place. --Noseman 2006 19:31, 26 October (CET)
All the "airport employees" in Locke's dreams are bound to the island. This can explain why Desmond could not escape and why the plane Hurley was on crashed on the island.

I know these seem like a bit of stretch but when I saw Hurley in the uniform I couldn't help but think along the lines of "Et tu, Brute?" I am new here and I didn't want to put this in the theories section without putting it here first and having other minds think about it. --Mr Vain 02:24, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

Mr. Eko

Eko is on the pathway to death, but is saved by Locke.

What is this supposed to mean? If it means that Eko was dying and Locke saved him, I'm inclined to say "Duh" and remove it - since it's a simple statement of (obvious) fact.

If on the other hand the "pathway to death" is a reference to some kind of metaphysical journey according to some culture or other - or anything else of that sort - then it really needs to be fleshed out, otherwise it's meaningless. --Doc 09:32, 30 October 2006 (PST)

Desmond

Moved from Theories

* Though Desmond acts consciously as a result of his new "powers", he does not
seem to be aware of the events he sees as taking place in a future time. He most
likely just "sees" the present and the future mixed together at the same time,
since he does not distinguish between the present and the future. For instance,
Desmond mentions Locke's speech as something that happened in the past, not the
future. In Every Man For Himself, Desmond simply tells Claire that there is a
problem with her roof, but never explains what the problem is, or that there will
be a problem. He is most likely not traveling in time, but just "seeing" things
from the near future and the present mixed together.

I don't think this is likely. While he was probably disoriented initially because of the discharge, he clearly knew later that the lightning strike was in the future (note his comment about the lightning rod as being an experiment - he was trying to change the future). --Doc 10:03, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Anybody Notice...?

...Ian Somerhalder's acting in the flash back? Most importantly around 2:35 on the YouTube video. It's reeally...bad. I'm not sure if he is intentionally being monotone in order to make the dream seem more trippy, or maybe that fall from the plane made him lose his acting skills. DeGroot 10:24, 10 December 2006 (PST)

I noticed that too and attributed it to his being killed off a hit TV series. I suppose it's something that happens when you are an actor, but being bitter about it makes him human (and less involved in the acting process) --Lifeilluminate 11:37, 8 October 2007 (PDT)

Hitchhiker

"I could still take you in for picking up a hitchhiker" - is it illegal in US? --Perpetka 15:00, 25 February 2007 (PST)

In come counties it is. Most officers just shrug it off though.--Captain Insano 16:08, 10 March 2007 (PST)

While you are carrying guns yes. Princess Dharma (banned)

Which date? Day 68 or Day 69?

At present the infobox has this episode taking place on Day 69 but I think it should be Day 68. Note that the Swan implosion occurred on Day 67 in the Season Two Finale. In "Further Instructions" Locke wakes up on the jungle floor and it seems to be the day after the Discharge. It doesn't make sense that Locke was lying there unconscious for two days. --Kuzak 01:22, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

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