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Talk:Code-named finale scenes

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Rename

Rename to Code-named finale scenes. As the bagel and Frozen Donkey Wheel (acording to the podcast) are not the final scenes of the episode. --Gluphokquen Gunih 10:07, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

Or Code-named season finale scenes --Gluphokquen Gunih 10:15, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

Agree: Reasons above--Baker1000 12:37, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

Restore the Illustration?

Code-named final scenes
Code-named final scenes

So my illustration of the code-named finale scenes was removed by Sam. I personally enjoyed the idea of the illustration for a few reason: 1. it added a top-level picture to summarize the entire article, which it was missing; 2. it showed folks what a challah was, since it had gone unidentified for years in the wiki; 3. it showed the literal absurdity of the names. I am not alone in supporting the illustration, as both BlueEagle and RobertKS expressed their appreciation, both of which are also admins. What do all of you think?  Kevrock   talk  contribs   21:29, 13 August 2008 (PDT)

  • I don't really care one way or the other, but is using the Shrek donkey a copyright issue? --Gluphokquen Gunih 21:58, 13 August 2008 (PDT)
    • It's a great user image, but it's absolutely tooo frivolous to be added to the article. And, I think the donkey breaks some laws. -- Sam  T  C  04:48, 14 August 2008 (PDT)
  • I think it can be restored, but only if a public domain donkey image is found. --Blueeagleislander 04:59, 14 August 2008 (PDT)
    • But really, think about it. The only thing that really needs to be shown for clarification is the challah. The frozen donkey wheel is actually a frozen donkey wheel, there doesn't need to be a picture for that, because it's already on the article. The rattlesnake in the mailbox and the bagel, people already know what those look like. Seriously, let's be realistic. It's taking up unnecessary space. -- Sam  T  C  13:02, 14 August 2008 (PDT)
  • It's eyes are blacked out, so can we really be sure it's that Donkey? ;) But yeah, I could find a different donkey image if I had to.
    • But seriously, I believe this clearly falls under the terms of Fair Use.

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    • It's being used for parody/satire and criticism/comment directed at something other than the source material, it's not for commercial gain, the donkey image is insignificant compared to the film as a whole, it has no effect upon that film's market.
    • As for being too frivolous, have you seen some of our articles? We have an article about a tree frog! We detail every use and connotation of Sawyer's nicknames. A great deal of info in a Wiki is frivolous, otherwise it wouldn't be comprehensive.
    • As for taking up space, you mean disk space or article space? I didn't realize either of those were an issue on the site or a criteria for inclusion.
    • Yes the FDW turned out to be an actual frozen wheel. I can just stick a miniature FDW screen cap in there, if that's preferable?
    • Also, I didn't name the finale scenes, I'm just representing what others named them. It's their fault for making the code-names silly.  Kevrock   talk  contribs   13:06, 14 August 2008 (PDT)
Okay. First off, the tree frog article is taken from the show, and is not fan-made frivolity, which this is. photos of snakes and mailboxes thrown together do not add to the overall quality of the wiki (what I meant when I said space). Sticking a screencap in would just be redundant. I would not mind separate images for the challah being added to the season two section, but overall, this image is unneeded as a whole, and should not, I feel, represent this otherwise serious article. -- Sam  T  C  13:27, 14 August 2008 (PDT)